From: Scott Dorsey on
aarcuda69062 <nonelson(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
>>
>> I have never seen anyone use a torque wrench on an oil pan drain plug, an
>> unless you plan on rebuilding your engine or transmission, don't waste your
>> money on another torque wrench.
>
>Couple of things...
>
>The 3/8" torque wrench is only $25.00
>IIRC, Built Well is a body builder.
>From all appearances, Built Well has absolutely NO experience
>-or- intuition WRT things mechanical.
>He needs -something- to help him get a feel for how tight things
>should be tightened.

I think he can probably get a feel with the beam-type wrench, then be
able to go on and do the rest of it by hand.

BUT... the truth is that a light torque wrench is a great tool that
you'll need for something else sooner or later... and someday you might
just find yourself rebuilding your engine or transmission. $25 is a
small price to pay for being able to change out your valve cover gaskets
when they start leaking, which they will.

>One should NEVER discourage the use of a proper tool when
>performing ANY automotive job, especially with someone _this_
>inexperienced.
>Built Well may decide to delve into other such lofty pursuits as
>changing his spark plugs, replacing his valve cover gasket(s),
>replacing his brake pads and rotors, T-belt and water pump.

Amen. And we were all that inexperienced once.

>Okay, you yoda guys can go back to politics now.

The REDUCE TARIFF light is illuminated on my dashboard. Does this mean
Japanese cars cost too much?
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
From: Ray O on

"aarcuda69062" <nonelson(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> In article <tOudnQiH8uPTY7DanZ2dnUVZ_oSnnZ2d(a)comcast.com>,
> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
>
>> "Built_Well" <built_well_toyota(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:472d705e$0$68462$892e0abb(a)auth.newsreader.octanews.com...
>> >
>> > Tegger wrote:
>> >
>> >> Then get a cheap beam-type. They are good enough down to less than 5
>> >> lbs.
>> > ========
>> >
>> > Imagine that. The Craftsman beam-type torque wrench at Sears
>> > has a lifetime warranty, but the clicker only has one year.
>> >
>> > Since so many Craftsman clickers break easily, I guess somebody
>> > probably goofed somewhere when they designed the thing.
>> >
>> > Somebody writing at the Sears.com's review page for this
>> > item said his adjusting handle came off when the retaining
>> > nut loosened. "A little threadlock or a nut with a nylon
>> > insert would have prevented this from happening," he wrote.
>> >
>> > Anyway, I guess I'll pick up the lifetime-warranted Craftsman
>> > beam-type torquer for the 18 foot-pound drain plug.
>> >
>>
>> I have never seen anyone use a torque wrench on an oil pan drain plug, an
>> unless you plan on rebuilding your engine or transmission, don't waste
>> your
>> money on another torque wrench.
>
> Couple of things...
>
> The 3/8" torque wrench is only $25.00
> IIRC, Built Well is a body builder.
> From all appearances, Built Well has absolutely NO experience
> -or- intuition WRT things mechanical.
> He needs -something- to help him get a feel for how tight things
> should be tightened.
> One should NEVER discourage the use of a proper tool when
> performing ANY automotive job, especially with someone _this_
> inexperienced.
> Built Well may decide to delve into other such lofty pursuits as
> changing his spark plugs, replacing his valve cover gasket(s),
> replacing his brake pads and rotors, T-belt and water pump.
>
> Disclaimers:
> yeah, you me and the expert next door don't need a torque wrench
> to do an oil change...
>
> Okay, you yoda guys can go back to politics now.

Good point! Built Well, go get that 3/8" torque wrench!
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)


From: Built_Well on
Ray O wrote:

> Tighten the drain plug until it doesn't leak - about 1/4 to 1/2 turn after
> the bolt head contacts the oil pan.
========

So only a 1/4 or 1/2 turn after the drain plug's bolt head contacts the
oil pan will amount to 18 foot pounds?
From: Ray O on

"Built_Well" <built_well_toyota(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Ray O wrote:
>
>> Tighten the drain plug until it doesn't leak - about 1/4 to 1/2 turn
>> after the bolt head contacts the oil pan.
> ========
>
> So only a 1/4 or 1/2 turn after the drain plug's bolt head contacts the
> oil pan will amount to 18 foot pounds?

My SWAG is yes, I couldn't tell you for sure because I have never used a
torque wrench on a drain plug.

The drain plug bolt only has to be tight enough so that it doesn't leak or
back out. Toyota uses a fiber drain plug gasket that will compress when the
bolt is tightened, making for a pretty leak-proof setup. My local Toyota
dealer tosses in a drain plug gasket for each oil filter I buy, and since I
rarely replace the gasket, I've accumulated about a dozen spares.

A fairly common mistake is for people to tighten the bolt as tightly as they
can get it, and that can strip the treads, and the gasket gets mushed so it
definitely needs replacement.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)


From: Refinish King on
I kind of figured you use your teeth!

I use my tongue. Since I can part my hair with it.

LOL

RK
"Tegger" <tegger(a)tegger.c0m> wrote in message
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> aarcuda69062 <nonelson(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:nonelson-
> A3B57E.19115703112007(a)news.chi.sbcglobal.net:
>
>> In article <Xns99DDBE9B9B548tegger(a)207.14.116.130>,
>> Tegger <tegger(a)tegger.c0m> wrote:
>>
>>> You don't need to be
>>> the Bionic Woman (or Man) to apply 18 ft-lbs to a fastener.
>>
>> Without a wrench? I'd bet you can't do it. ;-)
>
>
>
> I do it with my teeth. I have Bionic teeth.
>
> --
> Tegger
>