Oil and Filter Change
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From: cuhulin on 11 Oct 2007 23:27 I have never heard of Torque Stix before.How are they used? cuhulin
From: hls on 12 Oct 2007 08:48 "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message news:a-6dneUmcIhMQpPanZ2dnUVZ_uzinZ2d(a)comcast.com... > > "Built_Well" <Built_Well_Toyota(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:1192120570.815008.53990(a)o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com... >> >> Hls wrote: >> > <snipped> >>> Some impact wrenches can put up a heck of a lot more than 100 lb-ft. >>> I have seen some that can literally shear off a lug bolt. > > There are lots of automotive impact guns that put out over 500 > foot-pounds. > >>> >>> TorqStix dont always solve the problem either. I had two sets of >>> front rotors warped at Discount Tire with their damn torque sticks. >> > > Torque Stix usually work well, it's the user that do not always work well. > If the front rotors were warped witth Torque Stix on the impact gun, the > user either didn't read, couldn't comprehend, or ignored the directions > that came with them. You have to release the trigger when the lug nut > stops rotating because if you keep hammering, they will still allow the > lug nuts to become over-tightened. That could well be the problem, Ray. Tools, in the hands of those who dont know how to use them, or who refuse to use them as they were designed to be used, can be weapons. We have a local tire company which still puts on wheels with impact wrenches with no Torque Stix. They dont even have a torque wrench in the house. When I am forced to use them, I take my own torque wrench and insist that they use it.
From: John S. on 12 Oct 2007 08:52 On Oct 10, 8:22 pm, Built_Well <built_well_toy...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > I'm going to follow BadGolferMan's lead, and start > changing my own oil. > > There's a great CD-ROM that comes with the book > "Auto Upkeep - Basic Car Care" by Michael E. Gray. > On the CD is a great checklist of things to do > when changing your car's oil. > > Here it is: > -- > > Upon completion of this activity, you will be able to safely > change the oil and filter on a vehicle. > Uuuhhh...if it takes that many lines to describe how to do something as simple as an oil and filter change I shudder to think how many CD's are needed to describe a brake job! The problem with writing overly detailed instructions to fit all cars is that many readers will focus intently on trying to complete each step in sequence and fail to think about whether a given step makes sense for their car.
From: Built_Well on 12 Oct 2007 13:14 Another thing that disappointed me about my Toyota tech's service was the way he tightened the wheel's lug nuts. Instead of following the manual's procedure of gradually tightening the set of 5 nuts on a wheel, he completely tightened one, then went onto the next. I would have appreciated it if he would have simply tightened each nut half-way before returning to it. That's not too much extra work. Well, at least he did follow a star pattern. But, as I said the other day, the worst part was his not using a torque wrench to tighten the nuts, so he couldn't have precisely applied 76 foot-pounds of torque per lug nut, as the manual calls for. That's not exactly premiere Toyota service. I can only hope no rotors or drums are being warped. (The '06 Camry LE uses drum brakes in the rear and disks in front; the '07 uses disk brakes all around). The tech isn't new. He told me he's been working on Toyotas for years. And he must be 40- or 50- something. So it's not like I got a newcomer to work on my car.
From: Scott in Florida on 12 Oct 2007 13:22
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:14:18 -0700, Built_Well <Built_Well_Toyota(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >Another thing that disappointed me about my Toyota tech's >service was the way he tightened the wheel's lug nuts. > >Instead of following the manual's procedure of gradually >tightening the set of 5 nuts on a wheel, he completely >tightened one, then went onto the next. I would have >appreciated it if he would have simply tightened each >nut half-way before returning to it. That's not too much extra work. > >Well, at least he did follow a star pattern. But, as >I said the other day, the worst part was his not using >a torque wrench to tighten the nuts, so he couldn't have >precisely applied 76 foot-pounds of torque per lug nut, as the manual >calls for. > >That's not exactly premiere Toyota service. > >I can only hope no rotors or drums are being warped. >(The '06 Camry LE uses drum brakes in the rear and >disks in front; the '07 uses disk brakes all around). > > >The tech isn't new. He told me he's been working on >Toyotas for years. And he must be 40- or 50- >something. So it's not like I got a newcomer to >work on my car. If you want your nuts tightened to the correct torque, I suggest you go to Sam's club and buy your tires. Included in the price is lifetime rotate and balance. They use a torque wrench to tighten the wheel nuts. -- Scott in Florida |