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From: cuhulin on 12 Oct 2007 13:19 I never have used an impact wrench or torque wrench on any of my old vehicles before as far as removing and remounting the wheels is concerned.The way I remove the wheels is I use a 4 way wrench and a cheater pipe on my 4 way wrenches.I never have broken a lug nut wheel stud yet. Of course, I realize on some newer vehicles it is important to have the lug nuts properly torqued. cuhulin
From: Built_Well on 12 Oct 2007 13:28 Ray O wrote: > [The tech has] to release the trigger when the lug nut stops > rotating because if you keep hammering, they will still allow > the lug nuts to become over-tightened. ======== That's another good reason for the techs to use torque wrenches instead of impact guns with torque sticks. The torque wrench I saw at O'Reilly Auto Parts clicks when the proper torque has been reached. You just set it to 76 foot-pounds, and the wrench clicks when 76 is reached. Wonderful. No guessing.
From: Built_Well on 12 Oct 2007 13:33 Scott in Florida wrote: > On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:14:18 -0700, Built_Well > <Built_Well_Toyota(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > >Another thing that disappointed me about my Toyota tech's > >service was the way he tightened the wheel's lug nuts. > > > >Instead of following the manual's procedure of gradually > >tightening the set of 5 nuts on a wheel, he completely > >tightened one, then went onto the next. I would have > >appreciated it if he would have simply tightened each > >nut half-way before returning to it. That's not too much extra work. > > > >Well, at least he did follow a star pattern. But, as > >I said the other day, the worst part was his not using > >a torque wrench to tighten the nuts, so he couldn't have > >precisely applied 76 foot-pounds of torque per lug nut, as the manual > >calls for. > > > >That's not exactly premiere Toyota service. > > > >I can only hope no rotors or drums are being warped. > >(The '06 Camry LE uses drum brakes in the rear and > >disks in front; the '07 uses disk brakes all around). > > > > > >The tech isn't new. He told me he's been working on > >Toyotas for years. And he must be 40- or 50- > >something. So it's not like I got a newcomer to > >work on my car. > > If you want your nuts tightened to the correct torque, I suggest you > go to Sam's club and buy your tires. > > Included in the price is lifetime rotate and balance. > > They use a torque wrench to tighten the wheel nuts. > > -- > Scott in Florida ======== I might do that when it comes time to replace the original Goodyear tires. Next time I visit Sam's, I'll check in on the fellas to make sure they're using torque wrenches here, too.
From: Mike Romain on 12 Oct 2007 13:44 That means they are setting you up for the latest scam. They expect you to come back complaining of pulsing brakes and their diagnoses will be warped rotors so you now need a full brake job... I went to a new shop with a fresh young mechanic owing it yesterday with a friend to pick up his car after a brake job and the mechanic was finishing off the wheel lug nuts 'with' a torque wrench as we drove up. I was impressed. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile... Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Built_Well wrote: > Another thing that disappointed me about my Toyota tech's > service was the way he tightened the wheel's lug nuts. > > Instead of following the manual's procedure of gradually > tightening the set of 5 nuts on a wheel, he completely > tightened one, then went onto the next. I would have > appreciated it if he would have simply tightened each > nut half-way before returning to it. That's not too much extra work. > > Well, at least he did follow a star pattern. But, as > I said the other day, the worst part was his not using > a torque wrench to tighten the nuts, so he couldn't have > precisely applied 76 foot-pounds of torque per lug nut, as the manual > calls for. > > That's not exactly premiere Toyota service. > > I can only hope no rotors or drums are being warped. > (The '06 Camry LE uses drum brakes in the rear and > disks in front; the '07 uses disk brakes all around). > > > The tech isn't new. He told me he's been working on > Toyotas for years. And he must be 40- or 50- > something. So it's not like I got a newcomer to > work on my car. >
From: hls on 12 Oct 2007 15:42
"Built_Well" <Built_Well_Toyota(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > The torque wrench I saw at O'Reilly Auto Parts clicks when > the proper torque has been reached. You just set it to 76 > foot-pounds, and the wrench clicks when 76 is reached. Wonderful. No > guessing. Yep, they've been clicking like that for a long time now;>) The first one I ever had had a dial indicator gauge. Easy to read, easy to use. The clickers came along a little later, and I presently have one of those. They are accurate enough, in general. There are ways to test your torque wrench to make sure it is within specified accuracy. You need reasonable accuracy, but you probably dont need to anguish about whether your lugnuts are 76 lb-ft. If you have an even tightening in the range of 70-80 actual lb-ft, that is good enough in this case. You dont want 40 on some and 100 on some. |