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From: The Medway Handyman on 5 Apr 2010 13:13 Brimstone wrote: > "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)no-spam-blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in > message news:Golun.15001$pV1.6923(a)newsfe21.ams2... >> Brimstone wrote: >>> "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)no-spam-blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in >>> message news:d%iun.163847$7o6.27418(a)newsfe27.ams2... >>>> Brimstone wrote: >>>>> "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)no-spam-blueyonder.co.uk> wrote >>>>> in message news:raiun.82254$O44.18830(a)newsfe03.ams2... >>>>>> SW wrote: >>>>>>> The Medway Handyman wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Swimming in Egypt again? Motorists also pay council and income >>>>>>>> tax if you wern't bright enough to realise. And 8 times the >>>>>>>> cost of road building/repair. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Which doesn't alter the fact that the amount I pay more than >>>>>>> covers the costs incurred by my use of the road. >>>>>> >>>>>> Which misses the point that everyone pays general taxes, >>>>>> motorists pay extra taxes to use the roads. >>>>> >>>>> That's because they choose to. >>>> >>>> No, the 'have' to if they wish to use a car or van on the 'road'. >>> >>> As I said, they choose to. There is no one forcing anyone to use a >>> motor vehicle on the road, it's entirely voluntary. >> >> But if they 'choose' to they 'have' to. > > Hence it's a matter of choice. No it isn't thicko, you can't use a car/van on the road without road tax and in the majority of cases - as you finally admitted - there is no alternative. > >> A cyclist is just a spmoging freeloader. >> > Who are the cyclists scrounging off? The motorists who pay to use the roads. -- Dave - The Tax Paying Motorist -- Q. Why don't they put pockets in lycra cycling shorts? A. Because cyclists never put their hands in their pockets.
From: Brimstone on 5 Apr 2010 13:27 "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)no-spam-blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:%Soun.126998$RI3.104745(a)newsfe13.ams2... > Brimstone wrote: >> "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)no-spam-blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in >> message news:Golun.15001$pV1.6923(a)newsfe21.ams2... >>> Brimstone wrote: >>>> "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)no-spam-blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in >>>> message news:d%iun.163847$7o6.27418(a)newsfe27.ams2... >>>>> Brimstone wrote: >>>>>> "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)no-spam-blueyonder.co.uk> wrote >>>>>> in message news:raiun.82254$O44.18830(a)newsfe03.ams2... >>>>>>> SW wrote: >>>>>>>> The Medway Handyman wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Swimming in Egypt again? Motorists also pay council and income >>>>>>>>> tax if you wern't bright enough to realise. And 8 times the >>>>>>>>> cost of road building/repair. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Which doesn't alter the fact that the amount I pay more than >>>>>>>> covers the costs incurred by my use of the road. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Which misses the point that everyone pays general taxes, >>>>>>> motorists pay extra taxes to use the roads. >>>>>> >>>>>> That's because they choose to. >>>>> >>>>> No, the 'have' to if they wish to use a car or van on the 'road'. >>>> >>>> As I said, they choose to. There is no one forcing anyone to use a >>>> motor vehicle on the road, it's entirely voluntary. >>> >>> But if they 'choose' to they 'have' to. >> >> Hence it's a matter of choice. > > No it isn't thicko, you can't use a car/van on the road without road tax No one has said otherwise. But, use of a motor vehicle is a matter of choice. > and in the majority of cases - as you finally admitted - there is no > alternative. Plenty of people live their lives without driving a car. >>> A cyclist is just a spmoging freeloader. >>> >> Who are the cyclists scrounging off? > > The motorists who pay to use the roads. > So who were they "scrounging" off before motorists started paying to use the roads?
From: The Medway Handyman on 5 Apr 2010 15:38 Brimstone wrote: > "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)no-spam-blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in > message news:%Soun.126998$RI3.104745(a)newsfe13.ams2... >> Brimstone wrote: >>> "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)no-spam-blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in >>> message news:Golun.15001$pV1.6923(a)newsfe21.ams2... >>>> Brimstone wrote: >>>>> "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)no-spam-blueyonder.co.uk> wrote >>>>> in message news:d%iun.163847$7o6.27418(a)newsfe27.ams2... >>>>>> Brimstone wrote: >>>>>>> "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)no-spam-blueyonder.co.uk> wrote >>>>>>> in message news:raiun.82254$O44.18830(a)newsfe03.ams2... >>>>>>>> SW wrote: >>>>>>>>> The Medway Handyman wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Swimming in Egypt again? Motorists also pay council and >>>>>>>>>> income tax if you wern't bright enough to realise. And 8 >>>>>>>>>> times the cost of road building/repair. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Which doesn't alter the fact that the amount I pay more than >>>>>>>>> covers the costs incurred by my use of the road. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Which misses the point that everyone pays general taxes, >>>>>>>> motorists pay extra taxes to use the roads. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's because they choose to. >>>>>> >>>>>> No, the 'have' to if they wish to use a car or van on the 'road'. >>>>> >>>>> As I said, they choose to. There is no one forcing anyone to use a >>>>> motor vehicle on the road, it's entirely voluntary. >>>> >>>> But if they 'choose' to they 'have' to. >>> >>> Hence it's a matter of choice. >> >> No it isn't thicko, you can't use a car/van on the road without road >> tax > > No one has said otherwise. But, use of a motor vehicle is a matter of > choice. > >> and in the majority of cases - as you finally admitted - there is no >> alternative. > > Plenty of people live their lives without driving a car. The vast majority don't idiot. >>>> A cyclist is just a spmoging freeloader. >>>> >>> Who are the cyclists scrounging off? >> >> The motorists who pay to use the roads. >> > So who were they "scrounging" off before motorists started paying to > use the roads? Anyone they could knowing cyclists. -- Dave - intelligent enough to realise that a push bike is a kid's toy, not a viable form of transport.
From: Brimstone on 5 Apr 2010 16:08 "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)no-spam-blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:x_qun.72664$9S6.32830(a)newsfe19.ams2... > Brimstone wrote: >> "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)no-spam-blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in >> message news:%Soun.126998$RI3.104745(a)newsfe13.ams2... >>> Brimstone wrote: >>>> "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)no-spam-blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in >>>> message news:Golun.15001$pV1.6923(a)newsfe21.ams2... >>>>> Brimstone wrote: >>>>>> "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)no-spam-blueyonder.co.uk> wrote >>>>>> in message news:d%iun.163847$7o6.27418(a)newsfe27.ams2... >>>>>>> Brimstone wrote: >>>>>>>> "The Medway Handyman" <davidlang(a)no-spam-blueyonder.co.uk> wrote >>>>>>>> in message news:raiun.82254$O44.18830(a)newsfe03.ams2... >>>>>>>>> SW wrote: >>>>>>>>>> The Medway Handyman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Swimming in Egypt again? Motorists also pay council and >>>>>>>>>>> income tax if you wern't bright enough to realise. And 8 >>>>>>>>>>> times the cost of road building/repair. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Which doesn't alter the fact that the amount I pay more than >>>>>>>>>> covers the costs incurred by my use of the road. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Which misses the point that everyone pays general taxes, >>>>>>>>> motorists pay extra taxes to use the roads. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's because they choose to. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No, the 'have' to if they wish to use a car or van on the 'road'. >>>>>> >>>>>> As I said, they choose to. There is no one forcing anyone to use a >>>>>> motor vehicle on the road, it's entirely voluntary. >>>>> >>>>> But if they 'choose' to they 'have' to. >>>> >>>> Hence it's a matter of choice. >>> >>> No it isn't thicko, you can't use a car/van on the road without road >>> tax >> >> No one has said otherwise. But, use of a motor vehicle is a matter of >> choice. >> >>> and in the majority of cases - as you finally admitted - there is no >>> alternative. >> >> Plenty of people live their lives without driving a car. > > The vast majority don't idiot. That's their choice. Many people have cars but do very little mileage. However, it's still a matter of choice. Don't you approve of people being able to chose what they do? >>>>> A cyclist is just a spmoging freeloader. >>>>> >>>> Who are the cyclists scrounging off? >>> >>> The motorists who pay to use the roads. >>> >> So who were they "scrounging" off before motorists started paying to >> use the roads? > > Anyone they could knowing cyclists. > Such as? Everyone paid tax which went into either the Treasury or to the Local Council and roads were maintained out of that. Before Local Councils there were Turnpikes (i.e. toll roads) but not all roads were turnpikes. Wow, I've just realised, that's exactly what happens now. Isn't that an amazing coincidence? The only difference is that those road users which cause the most damage pay an extra tax to use the roads. Most people consider that to be fair.
From: Steve Firth on 7 Apr 2010 02:15
The Medway Handyman <davidlang(a)no-spam-blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > > So who were they "scrounging" off before motorists started paying to > > use the roads? > > Anyone they could knowing cyclists. Cyclists were, at one time, required to pay tolls to use the roads. They refused to pay since they are truly scrounging bastards. Hence they were scrounging off other road users who did make their payments to the turnpike trusts. The end of tolls for cycling on turnpikes happened at about the same time as the development of the motor car (around 1895) so it's the car that cyclists can thank for their freedom from tolls, not their own illegal behaviour. As usual the ingratitudinous revisionists like to pretend that they have special status (they don't) and that they were resonsible for obtaining their current toll-free status (they weren't). Brimstone remains a blustering know-nothing. |