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From: Mike Barnes on 4 Aug 2010 08:24
Mortimer <me(a)privacy.net>:
>"Mike Barnes" <mikebarnes(a)bluebottle.com> wrote in message news:4c+ajNP
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>> Here's another scenario. I cross the line on green but I'm prevented
>> from turning right by oncoming traffic. When the lights turn to red,
>> there's no opportunity for me to turn right before the cross traffic
>> starts flowing. Then the cross traffic dries up with the lights in front
>> of me still on red.
>>
>> Do I complete the right turn before the lights turn back to green?
>>
>> My reading of the situation is that there's no legal reason why I
>> shouldn't. But something stops me.
>
>It's quite legal [*] for you to cross the line on green even when your
>exit to turn right is blocked by oncoming traffic. You wait in the
>middle of the road for a gap. I'd have thought that the phasing of the
>lights would give you a small time to set off before the cars coming
>from your left set off, and if you are correctly positioned for turning
>right you won't be blocking traffic that's coming from your right -
>from the road that you are about to turn into.

If there's another car (or two) in front of me also waiting to turn
right, that doesn't always work. Or there might be a red-light jumper.

>I suppose if you were only just across the line and hadn't got as far
>as the normal turning right position, you might be far enough back that
>you don't block traffic from the right and can't accelerate to turn
>right before the traffic from your left gets there before you. It feels
>very sinful waiting there with traffic passing all around you, but
>there's nothing you can do about it. I would set off as soon as you can
>when the left-right traffic ceases and before the lights that you've
>just gone through go green again because that will block your exit once
>again.

I'll consider doing that, though no doubt I'll be thought a prat by
those people who think that a red light means stop.

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Mike Barnes
From: Harry Bloomfield on 4 Aug 2010 12:50
Chelsea Tractor Man pretended :
> On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 20:10:09 +0100, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
>
>> following a female driver,
>
> is the sexism really needed? Its the 21C now, you know.

I will not describe her driving prior to that incident, that would
really be sexist :')

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Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk


From: Nick Finnigan on 4 Aug 2010 14:55
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
>
> You have priority to complete your navigation of the junction even after
> the lights have changed. The cross traffic should (even though their
> light is green) allow you to complete. Not many do understand the rule
> though.

You do not have priority (and nor does the cross traffic). What rule do
you imagine applies?
From: Mortimer on 4 Aug 2010 15:51
"Nick Finnigan" <nix(a)genie.co.uk> wrote in message
news:i3cd35$7hi$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
> Harry Bloomfield wrote:
>>
>> You have priority to complete your navigation of the junction even after
>> the lights have changed. The cross traffic should (even though their
>> light is green) allow you to complete. Not many do understand the rule
>> though.
>
> You do not have priority (and nor does the cross traffic). What rule do
> you imagine applies?

I would have thought that the oncoming traffic had priority over the turning
traffic that was waiting in the middle of the road. If it's not enshrined in
the HC and/or Road Traffic Act(s) then it should be. Certainly it's the de
facto rule that people follow: if traffic turned in front of traffic that
was going straight on, there would probably be a collision because the
straight-on traffic would not be expecting to have to stop.

However from earlier discussions a couple of weeks ago in this group, it
sounds as if quite a few well-established and universally-followed rules
about priority aren't actually formally documented - for some reason - even
though they are taught in the driving test and "everyone" knows about them.

From: 'Nel' on 6 Aug 2010 11:30
> The moral is stop on amber,

Are you quite sure about that??

Lately, I'd be sat at a roundabout with lights - ones where you can make out
the sequence of lights pointing to the trafic to my right. As I watch them
go amber, then red I then watch as one, two........three................four
& often five vehicles swoop past me when, by now, my lights are clearly on
green!!

Sadly, this is more & more becoming the norm now.

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