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From: C. E. White on 21 Jul 2010 10:30

"Don Stauffer" <stauffer(a)usfamily.net> wrote in message
news:4c46f94c$0$48214$815e3792(a)news.qwest.net...

> Ah, but the real question is what percentage of unintended acceleration is
> pedal confusion and what percentage is hardware or software problems?
> Seems to be a very hard question to answer, especially if
> hardware/software problems are transient.

I think the real question is why did Toyota products experience a dramatic
increase in unintended acceleration incidents starting in 2004 (concurrent
with the shift to electronic trottle control). Every manufacturer has
complaints about UA incidents. Starting around 2004, the number of UA
complaints involving Toyota vehicles increased dramatically. Something
changed. Per their long stading practices Toyota tried to blame thier
Customers. This was BS back in 2005 and still is. They changed something
that made UA incidents more likely. It is not clear what changed, but the
recent attempts by the Toyota excuse machine to convince potential Customers
that it is not Toyota's fault is typical Toyota BS. No company tries harder
top conceal product defects and/or shift blame than Toyota.

Ed


From: ben91932 on 22 Jul 2010 13:37

> Hey Chuckwagon... what's the best 'rear toe' to use on a solid axle Mustang,
> for a fast road course?


We only have toes on the front...

Wait a minute...

That *may* have been a trick question...
From: M.A. Stewart on 23 Jul 2010 17:06

ben91932 (benteaches(a)gmail.com) writes:
>> Hey Chuckwagon... what's the best 'rear toe' to use on a solid axle Mustang,
>> for a fast road course?

>
>
> We only have toes on the front...
>
> Wait a minute...
>
> That *may* have been a trick question...


Go to the head of the class benteaches, if your not already there.


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From: chuckcar on 23 Jul 2010 17:07
ben91932 <benteaches(a)gmail.com> wrote in
news:9772ce11-2eb8-41e6-a1c3-b913bff05fd7(a)g6g2000pro.googlegroups.com:

>
>> Hey Chuckwagon... what's the best 'rear toe' to use on a solid axle
>> Mustang, for a fast road course?
>
>
> We only have toes on the front...
>
> Wait a minute...
>
> That *may* have been a trick question...
>
Toe-in. And it varies depending on how the driver drives and the
stiffness of the suspension along with the actual track. If you're playing
with that in a stock mustang, you're wasting your time. Front camber *may* be
useful along with adjusting steering lock and front toe-in for stability when
cornering, but they're all a matter of having enough or too much steering lock
and driving way too hard on a normal road car. In an Alfa or Ferrari, you would,
possibly have a reason to adjust it. However you're *not* going to adjust it if
you have a car with anything like normal road shock/spring settings. It's a
matter of a couple of seconds a lap at best when you're driving at the limit. *If*
you're a driver consistant enough to have laps within .2s of each other.

http://www.miracerros.com/mustang/t_suspension3.htm

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From: dsi1 on 23 Jul 2010 17:31
On 7/23/2010 11:07 AM, chuckcar wrote:
> ben91932<benteaches(a)gmail.com> wrote in
> news:9772ce11-2eb8-41e6-a1c3-b913bff05fd7(a)g6g2000pro.googlegroups.com:
>
>>
>>> Hey Chuckwagon... what's the best 'rear toe' to use on a solid axle
>>> Mustang, for a fast road course?
>>
>>
>> We only have toes on the front...
>>
>> Wait a minute...
>>
>> That *may* have been a trick question...
>>
> Toe-in. And it varies depending on how the driver drives and the
> stiffness of the suspension along with the actual track. If you're playing
> with that in a stock mustang, you're wasting your time. Front camber *may* be
> useful along with adjusting steering lock and front toe-in for stability when
> cornering, but they're all a matter of having enough or too much steering lock
> and driving way too hard on a normal road car. In an Alfa or Ferrari, you would,
> possibly have a reason to adjust it. However you're *not* going to adjust it if
> you have a car with anything like normal road shock/spring settings. It's a
> matter of a couple of seconds a lap at best when you're driving at the limit. *If*
> you're a driver consistant enough to have laps within .2s of each other.
>
> http://www.miracerros.com/mustang/t_suspension3.htm
>

I think he's pulling your leg - or your toes. The joke is that there's
no way to adjust the toe-in on a solid axle car. I know, it's a "lame"
joke. Car guys tell the worst jokes.
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