From: Chris Whelan on
On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 18:58:21 +0100, Nick Finnigan wrote:

[...]

> Ah, and 'H' bars (which are not 'T' bars). No legal standing:
>
> http://www.warrington.gov.uk/transportandstreets/Roadsafety/
Access_protection_markings.aspx

(From your link):

"Last updated 14/10/2008 15:15:34"

(From RobertL's post):

"The rules changed a few months ago."

Chris

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From: Nick Finnigan on
Chris Whelan wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 18:58:21 +0100, Nick Finnigan wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> Ah, and 'H' bars (which are not 'T' bars). No legal standing:
>>
>> http://www.warrington.gov.uk/transportandstreets/Roadsafety/
> Access_protection_markings.aspx
>
> (From your link):
>
> "Last updated 14/10/2008 15:15:34"
>
> (From RobertL's post):
>
> "The rules changed a few months ago."

They didn't.
From: Chris Whelan on
On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 23:21:01 +0100, Nick Finnigan wrote:

> Chris Whelan wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 18:58:21 +0100, Nick Finnigan wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> Ah, and 'H' bars (which are not 'T' bars). No legal standing:
>>>
>>> http://www.warrington.gov.uk/transportandstreets/Roadsafety/
>> Access_protection_markings.aspx
>>
>> (From your link):
>>
>> "Last updated 14/10/2008 15:15:34"
>>
>> (From RobertL's post):
>>
>> "The rules changed a few months ago."
>
> They didn't.

(Altogether now)

"Oh yes they did!"

For the pedant, the relevant regulations came into force on 31 March
2008, so strictly speaking more than "a few months". The rules have
significantly changed however.

To avoid the difficulty of wading through the information available by
Googling "parking special enforcement area", here are brief extracts:

"Part 6 of the Traffic Management Act 2004 gives the Secretary of State
the power to designate civil enforcement areas."

"When an area is designated as a civil enforcement area, the effect is
that certain specified parking offences are enforced by the local
authority."

"...the effect of making a special enforcement area is that two
additional parking prohibitions apply (double parking and parking at
dropped footways etc.)"

Local authorities are taking time over adopting their right to control
parking, but many have done so. Where they have, the new rules are in
force.

Chris

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From: Jeff on

>>>
>>> "The rules changed a few months ago."
>> They didn't.
>
> (Altogether now)
>
> "Oh yes they did!"
>
> For the pedant, the relevant regulations came into force on 31 March
> 2008, so strictly speaking more than "a few months". The rules have
> significantly changed however.
>
> To avoid the difficulty of wading through the information available by
> Googling "parking special enforcement area", here are brief extracts:
>
> "Part 6 of the Traffic Management Act 2004 gives the Secretary of State
> the power to designate civil enforcement areas."
>
> "When an area is designated as a civil enforcement area, the effect is
> that certain specified parking offences are enforced by the local
> authority."
>
> "...the effect of making a special enforcement area is that two
> additional parking prohibitions apply (double parking and parking at
> dropped footways etc.)"


Note the "special enforcement area". The obstruction of a drop kerb is
ONLY an offence in an SEA. Greater London is an SEA, but most of the
rest of the country is not.

Jeff
From: Chris Whelan on
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 12:51:55 +0100, Jeff wrote:


>>>> "The rules changed a few months ago."
>>> They didn't.
>>
>> (Altogether now)
>>
>> "Oh yes they did!"
>>
>> For the pedant, the relevant regulations came into force on 31 March
>> 2008, so strictly speaking more than "a few months". The rules have
>> significantly changed however.
>>
>> To avoid the difficulty of wading through the information available by
>> Googling "parking special enforcement area", here are brief extracts:
>>
>> "Part 6 of the Traffic Management Act 2004 gives the Secretary of State
>> the power to designate civil enforcement areas."
>>
>> "When an area is designated as a civil enforcement area, the effect is
>> that certain specified parking offences are enforced by the local
>> authority."
>>
>> "...the effect of making a special enforcement area is that two
>> additional parking prohibitions apply (double parking and parking at
>> dropped footways etc.)"
>
>
> Note the "special enforcement area". The obstruction of a drop kerb is
> ONLY an offence in an SEA. Greater London is an SEA, but most of the
> rest of the country is not.
>
> Jeff

As of the start of 2010, 269 of 433 local authorities are SEA's, so even
my rudimentary arithmetic skills reckons that as well over half.

(Source: opsi.gov.uk.)

It will eventually be country-wide; it's too big an earner for councils
to ignore!

As an aside, Farnborough became an SEA just before the last air show.
They declared most residential areas as resident's only parking, and
issued two permits per household. This was in line with what the police
would have done when parking was their responsibility.

Sadly, the council forgot to apply to the courts for permission to allow
the restriction, so it was completely unenforcable; the resulting chaos
was the worst that it had ever been for those that lived there.

Hopefully they will do better this year...

Chris

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