From: DavidR on 17 Dec 2007 20:00 "MrBitsy" <ray(a)nowhere.com> wrote > > Many cyclists, like pedestrians, seem oblivious in very simple ways to > keep themselves safe - not obeying red lights for instance. Is this dangerous? Are there any figures to bear it out?
From: DavidR on 18 Dec 2007 14:27 "MrBitsy" <ray(a)nowhere.com> wrote > DavidR wrote: >> >> I offered some alternatives to be used according to circumstance. You >> recommended an action to be used irrespective of circumstance. BTW >> when did you last get on a bike? > > When did you last drive a lorry, bus or coach? I haven't attempted to instruct the operators of such conveyances how to drive or even given any opinion about their behaviour, unlike yourself,. so your question is completely irrelevant. Tell me, how long since you last got on a bike?
From: Harry Bloomfield on 18 Dec 2007 15:01 After serious thinking Clive George wrote : > However what argument do you think I'm presenting? I've been fairly clear > about it, but you seem to be still misunderstanding it : given two equally > good drivers, the one going slower will be safer. That's it, no more. You > even understand that that is true by your extrapolation above. No we don't. What many of us have said is that there can be a safe speed where both faster or slower can be shown to be marginally less safe. That safe speed has nothing at all to do with a sign posted speed limit, but a great deal to do with the natural safe speed of a road taking into account the driver and the hazards on the road. A driver making too little progress along a road can cause other drivers to misinterpret their speed and intentions. Often they will find impatient drivers will pull out from side roads and even pedestrians to attempt to cross the road in front of them. Both of the above find it easier to deal with a driver making more normal progress along a road. -- Regards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk
From: Rob Morley on 18 Dec 2007 15:10 In article <Xa2dnSgWH7U7m_XanZ2dnUVZ8sbinZ2d(a)pipex.net>, JNugent not.telling(a)noparticularplacetogo.com says... > Rob Morley wrote: > > In article <EvWdnVaBNeeonfXanZ2dnUVZ8uydnZ2d(a)pipex.net>, JNugent > > not.telling(a)noparticularplacetogo.com says... > >>I agree with the thrust of that question. AAMOF, I don't think there > >>should be any compulsion to have any vehicle fitted with an audible > >>warning device. I'd go further: car and van horns should be illegal. > >>They never ever get used for the right purpose anyway. > >> > > > > Never ever? Back in my "driving Minis as fast I could around > > roundabouts" days my air horns almost certainly prevented a few > > crunches. > > The brakes would have achieved the same end without shredding the > nerves of residents of the nearby houses. > Brakes do not provide an audible warning of approach, so they would not have achieved the same thing. If you mean they would have prevented a crunch then perhaps, but so would proper observation on the part of the other drivers. These were country roads, not streets in built-up areas.
From: Brimstone on 18 Dec 2007 15:30
"Rob Morley" <nospam(a)ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:MPG.21d228cc4c6907a698b3c9(a)news.individual.net... > In article <Xa2dnSgWH7U7m_XanZ2dnUVZ8sbinZ2d(a)pipex.net>, JNugent > not.telling(a)noparticularplacetogo.com says... >> Rob Morley wrote: >> > In article <EvWdnVaBNeeonfXanZ2dnUVZ8uydnZ2d(a)pipex.net>, JNugent >> > not.telling(a)noparticularplacetogo.com says... > >> >>I agree with the thrust of that question. AAMOF, I don't think there >> >>should be any compulsion to have any vehicle fitted with an audible >> >>warning device. I'd go further: car and van horns should be illegal. >> >>They never ever get used for the right purpose anyway. >> >> >> > >> > Never ever? Back in my "driving Minis as fast I could around >> > roundabouts" days my air horns almost certainly prevented a few >> > crunches. >> >> The brakes would have achieved the same end without shredding the >> nerves of residents of the nearby houses. >> > Brakes do not provide an audible warning of approach, so they would not > have achieved the same thing. If you mean they would have prevented a > crunch then perhaps, but so would proper observation on the part of the > other drivers. As would not "driving Minis as fast I could around roundabouts" thus giving the other drivers time to see you. > These were country roads, not streets in built-up areas. |