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From: Peter Clinch on 20 Dec 2007 14:31 raisethe wrote: > JNugent wrote: > >>> You said "keep clear". I can't guarantee to keep clear because I can't >>> guarantee that an HGV won't come close. >> >> But you can try, can't you? > > PC hasn't said that he won't try, just that sometimes he won't have a > choice. He's said the same thing in different ways <many> times. Why is > this such a hard concept for you guys to understand? Occam's Razor suggsts "Because they're numpties" is the front runner... Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net p.j.clinch(a)dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
From: Peter Clinch on 20 Dec 2007 14:33 JNugent wrote: [keeping away from HGVs] > But you can try, can't you? But there's rather more to safe interaction with lorries than staying away, and that was all Brimstone came up with. That is what I have a problem with. The other problem, of course, is the likes of you not actually bothering to read what I wrote. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net p.j.clinch(a)dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
From: Peter Clinch on 20 Dec 2007 14:43 Steve Firth wrote: > Peter Clinch <p.j.clinch(a)dundee.ac.uk> wrote: >> Steve Firth wrote: >> >>> You may continue to mix it with trucks as you like. And you may continue >>> to run the risk of beign squashed in consequence. >> Much as I (and you) do in cars, and still much the case that getting out >> on the roads /at all/ will involve mixing it with trucks, whatever my likes. > > Not if you're sensible. I can't understand cyclists who whine on about > trucks, I've been riding bikes for decades her and in Italy. I tend to > find that truck drivers tend to be more aware of cyclists than the > average driver. I wasn't whining about them, I said I get out there and mix with them and there are times when "keep clear" is simply not possible. And when I mix with them I find the drivers tend to be more aware of cyclists than the average driver, just as you say, yet apparently the "advice" is to keep clear of them. > I see you're still too dumb to realise that *you* are responsible for > your safety to a large degree. Yes. And I'm still here, and I'm still here despite not always keeping clear of HGVs, because I have a good idea of when and how I can safely interact with them even in close proximity. So there's more to it than "keep clear", yet that was what Brimstone came up with. > That includes choice of route, position > on road and general awareness of traffic law and good riding practices. > So far you're showing yourself to be woefully deficient in common sense. My common sesne is fine. OTOH, your basic comprehension of plain English is at the Nul Points level because you keep on making points according to some notion completely contrary to what I say I do or think. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net p.j.clinch(a)dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
From: Ekul Namsob on 20 Dec 2007 14:45 Conor <conor_turton(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > In article <c2acm3lgjot3kvh7a2e2fl175brqbcrhi6(a)4ax.com>, Tom Crispin > says... > > > >I suspect there'd be no case made if it were a child cyclist but one > > >made if it were an adult. > > > > If it were an adult cyclist I expect it would depend on the > > circumstance. > > > > A shopper who rides a short distance on the pavement to access a bike > > rack outside the bakery would be treated differently to a mid-twenties > > courier who sends pedestrians diving for cover as he blasts his way > > along a busy shopping pavement. > > Why? Both are illegal. Are they? Is it illegal for a motorist to ride a short distance on the pavement to access a garage or parking space? If this is the case, would you please inform Fulwood Police on 01772 203203 that someone has been illegally using police cars for this very reason? Ta. Luke -- Red Rose Ramblings, the diary of an Essex boy in exile in Lancashire <http://www.shrimper.org.uk>
From: Brimstone on 20 Dec 2007 14:56
Peter Clinch wrote: > Steve Firth wrote: >> Peter Clinch <p.j.clinch(a)dundee.ac.uk> wrote: >>> Steve Firth wrote: >>> >>>> You may continue to mix it with trucks as you like. And you may >>>> continue to run the risk of beign squashed in consequence. >>> Much as I (and you) do in cars, and still much the case that >>> getting out on the roads /at all/ will involve mixing it with trucks, >>> whatever >>> my likes. >> >> Not if you're sensible. I can't understand cyclists who whine on >> about trucks, I've been riding bikes for decades her and in Italy. I >> tend to find that truck drivers tend to be more aware of cyclists >> than the average driver. > > I wasn't whining about them, I said I get out there and mix with > them and there are times when "keep clear" is simply not possible. > And when I mix with them I find the drivers tend to be more aware > of cyclists than the average driver, just as you say, yet > apparently the "advice" is to keep clear of them. > >> I see you're still too dumb to realise that *you* are responsible for >> your safety to a large degree. > > Yes. And I'm still here, and I'm still here despite not always > keeping clear of HGVs, because I have a good idea of when and how I > can safely interact with them even in close proximity. So there's > more to it than "keep clear", yet that was what Brimstone came up > with. Indeed I did. I also said it was the "general thrust" of the argument. Do you understand what that means? You should also read it in the context of the preceeding comments. |