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From: JNugent on 28 Dec 2007 12:00 TripleS wrote: > Steve Firth wrote: >> spindrift <newtyres(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> Graveyards are full of arrogant twunts, and their victims, who took >>> Smith's advice. >> What absolute, baseless cobblers. > But at least it is consistent with practically everything else posted by > the disgusting little twerp known as spindrift. Give him a chance. Any day now, he'll take up the challenge and show just one case - let alone a graveyard full - where a driver took what spindrift imagines to be Paul Smith's advice and either killed himself or someone else in following it. Have faith. You'll see. He'll come up with that single example any minute now. Or something.
From: spindrift on 28 Dec 2007 13:02 "Read Appendix H of the 4th Year Report. It states, unequivocally, exactly what I have said. " You claimed Ms Mountain vindicated Smith's work. Have you got any evidence for this or not?
From: MrBitsy on 28 Dec 2007 13:11 spindrift wrote: > On 28 Dec, 14:34, "Brimstone" <brimstone520-n...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> spindrift wrote: >>> On 28 Dec, 14:04, Jeff York <ra...(a)btinternet.com> wrote: >>> "Speed cameras don't have any relevance to bicycles " >> >>> If you cycled, you'd know that speeding traffic is extremely >>> relevant to cyclists. >> >>> A young woman who drove her Smart car through a red light at speed, >>> hitting and killing a cyclist, has been jailed for 21 months. >> >>> Sobbing Kerry Smith, 24, who had no previous convictions and a clean >>> driving licence, drove west along Talgarth Road at 45mph in the >>> 30mph limit and failed to stop at the red light on the junction >>> with Gliddon Road, prosecutor Charles Burton told Isleworth Crown >>> Court. >> >>> "It was 9pm and the defendant failed to notice the lights were red >>> and collided with cyclist Charlotte Morse, who was riding her >>> bicycle from north to south across the junction with the lights at >>> green in her favour," he said. >> >>> http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtimes.co.uk/mostpopular.var.1822947.m... >> >> What has someone driving through a red light got to do with >> "speeding"?- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Read the article, the driver claimed the light was green. > > here's a stunning fact that'll rock your world- speeding in vehicles > means the vehicles take a longer time and a longer distance to stop. Only if the cars are the same and the skill of the drivers is the same. I would prefer a well driven car caome towards me 10mph over the limit, rather than a badly driven one at 10mph under the limit - the car with the better driver may very well stop in the shorter distance. > Disagree? > > Refute the "speed kills" truism? > > Allow me to educate you, I'll driver into you at 20mph, 30mph and > 40mph. > > If you survive and remain cogent and sensate you can indicate by > daubing your finger in your blood which hurt more. > > Or you can grow up, get out of bed earlier and drive under the limit. Are the drivers in the cars skilled drivers, who are observing and choosing a speed for the conditions? Or are they drivers who believe they are safe if at or below the limit? -- MrBitsy
From: MrBitsy on 28 Dec 2007 13:15 spindrift wrote: > On 28 Dec, 15:08, "Brimstone" <brimstone520-n...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> spindrift wrote: >>> On 28 Dec, 15:00, "Brimstone" <brimstone520-n...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>>> spindrift wrote: >>>>> On 28 Dec, 14:34, "Brimstone" <brimstone520-n...(a)yahoo.co.uk> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> spindrift wrote: >>>>>>> On 28 Dec, 14:04, Jeff York <ra...(a)btinternet.com> wrote: >>>>>>> "Speed cameras don't have any relevance to bicycles " >> >>>>>>> If you cycled, you'd know that speeding traffic is extremely >>>>>>> relevant to cyclists. >> >>>>>>> A young woman who drove her Smart car through a red light at >>>>>>> speed, hitting and killing a cyclist, has been jailed for 21 >>>>>>> months. >> >>>>>>> Sobbing Kerry Smith, 24, who had no previous convictions and a >>>>>>> clean driving licence, drove west along Talgarth Road at 45mph >>>>>>> in the 30mph limit and failed to stop at the red light on the >>>>>>> junction with Gliddon Road, prosecutor Charles Burton told >>>>>>> Isleworth Crown Court. >> >>>>>>> "It was 9pm and the defendant failed to notice the lights were >>>>>>> red and collided with cyclist Charlotte Morse, who was riding >>>>>>> her bicycle from north to south across the junction with the >>>>>>> lights at green in her favour," he said. >> >>>>>>> http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtimes.co.uk/mostpopular.var.1822947.m... >> >>>>>> What has someone driving through a red light got to do with >>>>>> "speeding"?- Hide quoted text - >> >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>>>> Read the article, the driver claimed the light was green. >> >>>> A working link would be useful. >> >>>> So reading as much of the article as you've posted she made no such >>>> claim >>>> but I'll accept that she misread the lights. How is speed >>>> relevant?- Hide quoted text - >> >>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>> Accept my invitation to drive into you at various speeds and you'll >>> be disabused of your wild contention that the speed of the vehicle >>> has no bearing on the injuries inflicted on the speeder's victim. >> >> If she had complied with the red light there would have been no >> collision and no injuries and death. How is speed relevant to >> passing a red light? >> >> (Third time of asking.)- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > "How is speed relevant to passing a red light? " > > How many people die in a collision with a car travelling at 4mph? > > The woman killed a child whilst she was speeding. > > Had she not been speeding the child would have had a much greater > chance of survival. > > Had she not been speeding she may have noticed the lights had changed. > > She sped, killed a child, and you claim her speed was irrelevant! > > Accept my invitation, or read up on the subject: > > Driving just a few miles over the limit vastly increases the risks if > you crash. > > If a driver hits a pedestrian at 20 mph, the pedestrian has a 95% > chance of survival. At 30 mph the survival chance is 80% and if a > driver hits a pedestrian at 40 mph, the pedestrian's survival chances > fall to just 10%. > > And speeding increases the likelihood of an accident as well - an > average car travelling at 35 mph will need an extra 21 feet (or six > metres) more to stop, than one travelling at 30 mph. > > As David Jamieson, Minister for Transport said: > > 'We know that two thirds of all accidents in which people are killed > or injured happen on built-up roads, and speed plays a part in a great > many of these crashes. Sticking to the speed limit makes the roads > safer for everyone. > > 'I'm pleased that there will be a national poster campaign to remind > people of the speed limits. Knowing and sticking to them will improve > road safety and reduce the number of people who are caught by speed > cameras.' The key fact is this driver did not notice the lights were red. The cyclists was hit because this driver passed a red light. The key problem here was a lack of observation and anticipation. Assume she was travelling at a legal speed - the accident would have still happened and the cyclist may still be dead. Surely it is better we concentrate on driver skills, rather than making drivers believe they are safe if they go below a number on a pole? -- MrBitsy
From: spindrift on 28 Dec 2007 13:13
On 28 Dec, 18:11, "MrBitsy" <r...(a)nowhere.com> wrote: > spindrift wrote: > > On 28 Dec, 14:34, "Brimstone" <brimstone520-n...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >> spindrift wrote: > >>> On 28 Dec, 14:04, Jeff York <ra...(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > >>> "Speed cameras don't have any relevance to bicycles " > > >>> If you cycled, you'd know that speeding traffic is extremely > >>> relevant to cyclists. > > >>> A young woman who drove her Smart car through a red light at speed, > >>> hitting and killing a cyclist, has been jailed for 21 months. > > >>> Sobbing Kerry Smith, 24, who had no previous convictions and a clean > >>> driving licence, drove west along Talgarth Road at 45mph in the > >>> 30mph limit and failed to stop at the red light on the junction > >>> with Gliddon Road, prosecutor Charles Burton told Isleworth Crown > >>> Court. > > >>> "It was 9pm and the defendant failed to notice the lights were red > >>> and collided with cyclist Charlotte Morse, who was riding her > >>> bicycle from north to south across the junction with the lights at > >>> green in her favour," he said. > > >>>http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtimes.co.uk/mostpopular.var.1822947.m... > > >> What has someone driving through a red light got to do with > >> "speeding"?- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Read the article, the driver claimed the light was green. > > > here's a stunning fact that'll rock your world- speeding in vehicles > > means the vehicles take a longer time and a longer distance to stop. > > Only if the cars are the same and the skill of the drivers is the same. > > I would prefer a well driven car caome towards me 10mph over the limit, > rather than a badly driven one at 10mph under the limit - the car with the > better driver may very well stop in the shorter distance. > > > Disagree? > > > Refute the "speed kills" truism? > > > Allow me to educate you, I'll driver into you at 20mph, 30mph and > > 40mph. > > > If you survive and remain cogent and sensate you can indicate by > > daubing your finger in your blood which hurt more. > > > Or you can grow up, get out of bed earlier and drive under the limit. > > Are the drivers in the cars skilled drivers, who are observing and choosing > a speed for the conditions? Or are they drivers who believe they are safe if > at or below the limit? > -- > MrBitsy- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - You think what the driver's thinking makes any difference when a car driving at 30mph hits you? Don't replace my question with your own utterly different and irrelevant question, just answer it. Or answer the question about why you've been unable to cite a single MORI or similar poll that shows opposition to speed cameras. Or why Smith lied about Ms Mountain's research and then refused to discuss those lies. Or why you are unable to name a single "independent expert" Smith claimed to have validated his beer mat scribbles? Or why Smith failed in every aspect of his campaign and the next generation of speed cameras are promising to be even more effective than what we have now? Simple questions, I can't think why you're having so much difficulty responding.... |