From: MrBitsy on
spindrift wrote:

> Don't other road users have the right to use the road without the
> intimidating behaviour of speeders ?

Two point here - the intimidating behaviour is more likely to cause the
crash.

--
MrBitsy


From: spindrift on
"Surely it is better we
concentrate on driver skills, rather than making drivers believe they
are
safe if they go below a number on a pole? "

Any driver who assumes that driving below the speed limit makes
accidents impossible would be an idiot. Can you name any driver who
thinks something so stupid? Thought not.

This is just another plank of your argument that makes no sense, THERE
ARE NO DRIVERS WHO THINK LIKE THIS.

This follows on from bogus claim #132 above- that 95% of police
resources are devoted to speeding.


Got a source for that claim yet?

I make that seven questions the pro-speeders are unable to respond to,
the spirit of Smith lives on!

LOL!!
From: Brimstone on
spindrift wrote:
> On 28 Dec, 18:11, "MrBitsy" <r...(a)nowhere.com> wrote:
>> spindrift wrote:
>>> On 28 Dec, 14:34, "Brimstone" <brimstone520-n...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> spindrift wrote:
>>>>> On 28 Dec, 14:04, Jeff York <ra...(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Speed cameras don't have any relevance to bicycles "
>>
>>>>> If you cycled, you'd know that speeding traffic is extremely
>>>>> relevant to cyclists.
>>
>>>>> A young woman who drove her Smart car through a red light at
>>>>> speed, hitting and killing a cyclist, has been jailed for 21
>>>>> months.
>>
>>>>> Sobbing Kerry Smith, 24, who had no previous convictions and a
>>>>> clean driving licence, drove west along Talgarth Road at 45mph in
>>>>> the 30mph limit and failed to stop at the red light on the
>>>>> junction with Gliddon Road, prosecutor Charles Burton told
>>>>> Isleworth Crown Court.
>>
>>>>> "It was 9pm and the defendant failed to notice the lights were red
>>>>> and collided with cyclist Charlotte Morse, who was riding her
>>>>> bicycle from north to south across the junction with the lights at
>>>>> green in her favour," he said.
>>
>>>>> http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtimes.co.uk/mostpopular.var.1822947.m...
>>
>>>> What has someone driving through a red light got to do with
>>>> "speeding"?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>> Read the article, the driver claimed the light was green.
>>
>>> here's a stunning fact that'll rock your world- speeding in vehicles
>>> means the vehicles take a longer time and a longer distance to stop.
>>
>> Only if the cars are the same and the skill of the drivers is the
>> same.
>>
>> I would prefer a well driven car caome towards me 10mph over the
>> limit, rather than a badly driven one at 10mph under the limit - the
>> car with the better driver may very well stop in the shorter
>> distance.
>>
>>> Disagree?
>>
>>> Refute the "speed kills" truism?
>>
>>> Allow me to educate you, I'll driver into you at 20mph, 30mph and
>>> 40mph.
>>
>>> If you survive and remain cogent and sensate you can indicate by
>>> daubing your finger in your blood which hurt more.
>>
>>> Or you can grow up, get out of bed earlier and drive under the
>>> limit.
>>
>> Are the drivers in the cars skilled drivers, who are observing and
>> choosing a speed for the conditions? Or are they drivers who believe
>> they are safe if at or below the limit?
>> --
>> MrBitsy- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> You think what the driver's thinking makes any difference when a car
> driving at 30mph hits you?
>
> Don't replace my question with your own utterly different and
> irrelevant question, just answer it.
>
>
> Or answer the question about why you've been unable to cite a single
> MORI or similar poll that shows opposition to speed cameras.
>
> Or why Smith lied about Ms Mountain's research and then refused to
> discuss those lies.
>
> Or why you are unable to name a single "independent expert" Smith
> claimed to have validated his beer mat scribbles?
>
> Or why Smith failed in every aspect of his campaign and the next
> generation of speed cameras are promising to be even more effective
> than what we have now?
>
> Simple questions, I can't think why you're having so much difficulty
> responding....

Just as I can't understand why you can't say what would have happened if the
car had been travelling at 45mph and stopped at the red light.


From: Brimstone on
spindrift wrote:
> "Surely it is better we
> concentrate on driver skills, rather than making drivers believe they
> are
> safe if they go below a number on a pole? "
>
> Any driver who assumes that driving below the speed limit makes
> accidents impossible would be an idiot. Can you name any driver who
> thinks something so stupid? Thought not.
>
> This is just another plank of your argument that makes no sense, THERE
> ARE NO DRIVERS WHO THINK LIKE THIS.
>
> This follows on from bogus claim #132 above- that 95% of police
> resources are devoted to speeding.
>
>
> Got a source for that claim yet?
>
> I make that seven questions the pro-speeders are unable to respond to,
> the spirit of Smith lives on!
>
Whilst you can't answer one very simple question. If the person you cite as
having been speeding and then colliding with a cyclist had stopped at the
red light would the collision (and resulting death) have happened?


From: spindrift on
On 28 Dec, 18:34, "Brimstone" <brimstone520-n...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> spindrift wrote:
> > "Surely it is better we
> > concentrate on driver skills, rather than making drivers believe they
> > are
> > safe if they go below a number on a pole? "
>
> > Any driver who assumes that driving below the speed limit makes
> > accidents impossible would be an idiot. Can you name any driver who
> > thinks something so stupid? Thought not.
>
> > This is just another plank of your argument that makes no sense, THERE
> > ARE NO DRIVERS WHO THINK LIKE THIS.
>
> > This follows on from bogus claim #132 above- that 95% of police
> > resources are devoted to speeding.
>
> > Got a source for that claim yet?
>
> > I make that seven questions the pro-speeders are unable to respond to,
> > the spirit of Smith lives on!
>
> Whilst you can't answer one very simple question. If the person you cite as
> having been speeding and then colliding with a cyclist had stopped at the
> red light would the collision (and resulting death) have happened?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Would the driver have jumped the light had she not been speeding?

Almost certainly not.

Would the injuries inflicted on the child have been less severe at a
lower speed?

Indubitably.

A child died, and you are seriously unable to condemn speeding, even
now?

Sheesh.