Paul Smith
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From: MrBitsy on 28 Dec 2007 17:39 spindrift wrote: > You think what the driver's thinking makes any difference when a car > driving at 30mph hits you? <thinks of the Patch Adams movie> 'How many fingers am I holding up' 'Four' 'No, stop focusing on the problem, see past the problem at the solution' 'ah, I see eight fingers' You are firmly stuck at slow is better. Slow just means an accident still happens at a different speed - it must be better to understan why the accident happened. In the car crossing a red light and hitting a pedestrain, the accident occured because a vehicle passed a red light. If the vehicle had crossed the red light slower, the cyclist would have still been hit and possibly still killed. Why did the car cross the red light? Obviously the drivers attention was elsewhere. Paul Smith had a basic argument that says, 'focusing on speed as the way to decrease accidents, focuses drivers minds on the speedo as a measure of safety'. I agree with this. This of course does nothing to increase the drivers awareness. So in answer to you question - a driver travelling faster may indeed stop before a slower driver, if the faster driver is observing the road but the slower driver isn't. > Don't replace my question with your own utterly different and > irrelevant question, just answer it. I have, but you are so infatuated with speed only, you can't see the logic. > Or answer the question about why you've been unable to cite a single > MORI or similar poll that shows opposition to speed cameras. I speak from my personal experience of many miles and four test passes in the last four years. I observed with the IAM, seeing just what damage the speed kills message is doing. > Or why Smith lied about Ms Mountain's research and then refused to > discuss those lies. > > Or why you are unable to name a single "independent expert" Smith > claimed to have validated his beer mat scribbles? > > Or why Smith failed in every aspect of his campaign and the next > generation of speed cameras are promising to be even more effective > than what we have now? > > Simple questions, I can't think why you're having so much difficulty > responding.... You are interested in only scribbles and numbers. -- MrBitsy
From: MrBitsy on 28 Dec 2007 17:47 spindrift wrote: > "Surely it is better we > concentrate on driver skills, rather than making drivers believe they > are > safe if they go below a number on a pole? " > > Any driver who assumes that driving below the speed limit makes > accidents impossible would be an idiot. Can you name any driver who > thinks something so stupid? Thought not. 'Any driver who assumes that driving below the speed limit makes accidents impossible would be an idiot.' I am glad this came out of your mouth. Now you have shown me you understand this, why is your whole focus on 'speed kills'? As an observer with the IAM, I took approx 200 hundred drivers on observed runs towards the advanced driving test. On the first run I would always ask them to follow my directions and give me a safe drive. I would ask them to drive as they normally would. Almost without fail, they would follow my directions SLOWLY. However, they would tailgate, have little forward vision, little anticipation, show bad lane discipline and poor road positioning. Where does your experience come from? > This is just another plank of your argument that makes no sense, THERE > ARE NO DRIVERS WHO THINK LIKE THIS. Yes, there are a lot of drivers who think like this. The speed kills message and enforcement has guaranteed why they think like this. > This follows on from bogus claim #132 above- that 95% of police > resources are devoted to speeding. What is your experience with real drivers? -- MrBitsy
From: MrBitsy on 28 Dec 2007 17:51 spindrift wrote: > How many unanswered questions are we up to now? Lets see if you can answer these questions. If I covered up the speedo in your car, then asked you to drive 500 miles, would you be more likely to crash? Would you be more likely to pass a red traffic light? Are you more likely to kill a cyclist? Are you more likely to knock down a pedestrian? Are you more likely to skid off the road? Would you be more likely to get a speeding ticket? Please explain your answers. -- MrBitsy
From: NM on 28 Dec 2007 18:02 MrBitsy wrote: > spindrift wrote: > >> How many unanswered questions are we up to now? > > Lets see if you can answer these questions. > > If I covered up the speedo in your car, then asked you to drive 500 miles, > would you be more likely to crash? Would you be more likely to pass a red > traffic light? Are you more likely to kill a cyclist? Are you more likely to > knock down a pedestrian? Are you more likely to skid off the road? > > Would you be more likely to get a speeding ticket? > > Please explain your answers. > When I was learning instrument flying the instructor used stick discs that covered whatever instrument she was simulating failure, together with screens blocking the outside view simulating zero viz and glasses that restricted the view to the remaining instruments only. Amazing what can be accomplished without little indicator dials, they are to be regarded as a guide only.
From: MrBitsy on 28 Dec 2007 18:07
NM wrote: > MrBitsy wrote: >> spindrift wrote: >> >>> How many unanswered questions are we up to now? >> >> Lets see if you can answer these questions. >> >> If I covered up the speedo in your car, then asked you to drive 500 >> miles, would you be more likely to crash? Would you be more likely >> to pass a red traffic light? Are you more likely to kill a cyclist? >> Are you more likely to knock down a pedestrian? Are you more likely >> to skid off the road? Would you be more likely to get a speeding ticket? >> >> Please explain your answers. >> > > When I was learning instrument flying the instructor used stick discs > that covered whatever instrument she was simulating failure, together > with screens blocking the outside view simulating zero viz and glasses > that restricted the view to the remaining instruments only. > > Amazing what can be accomplished without little indicator dials, they > are to be regarded as a guide only. You are telling me that you didn't automatically fall out the sky? Are you seriously telling me that your aircraft didn't pull a 3g turn straight into restricted airspace and into the path of a passenger plane? You must be a nutter with Nazi tendencies :-) -- MrBitsy |