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From: JNugent on 3 May 2010 12:23 DavidR wrote: > "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote >> DavidR wrote: >>> Though, I wouldn't be surprised if, out of the 10 peers, motoring taxes >>> overall, as a proportion of incomes, are well off the top rates. >> Whatever that means. > It means what it says. The meaning is nevertheless very well disguised. > (btw, motoring taxes aren't just the fuel tax.) Make no mistake: I'd rather see higher road tax and lower fuel tax. It would have all sorts of benefits.
From: Conor on 3 May 2010 13:01 On 03/05/2010 14:56, JNugent wrote: > DavidR wrote: >> "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote >>> DavidR wrote: >>>> "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote >>>>> DIESEL PRICES IN EUROPE & USA ... >>>>> UK pence per litre (�1.21 in the UK) >>>>> >>>>> STARTQUOTE: >>>>> Austria 98.78 no tolls >>>>> Belgium 101.06 no tolls >>>>> Czech 105.59 >>>>> Denmark 115.39 no tolls >>>>> Finland 100.09 >>>>> France 111.58 >>>>> Germany 107.64 no tolls >>>>> Greece 106.58 >>>>> Netherlands 107.28 no tolls >>>>> Hungary 103.34 >>>>> Ireland 107.02 >>>>> Italy 113.78 >>>>> Luxembourg 89.30 no tolls >>>>> Estonia 96.38 >>>>> Norway 130.64* (only one where fuel costs more than in the UK) >>>>> Latvia 95.01 >>>>> Lithuania 90.10 >>>>> Poland Z93.63 >>>>> Slovakia 97.02 >>>>> Slovenia 98.69 >>>>> Portugal 93.34 >>>>> Spain 95.62 >>>>> Sweden 116.27 >>>>> Switzerland 106.96 no tolls (you have to pay an annual road tax) >>>>> United States of America 52.89 >>>>> Malta 90.35 >>>>> Bulgaria 96.39 > >>>> I wonder how it would look if the list was quoted as a proportion of >>>> average income for each country. I expect the Maltese or Bulgarians >>>> must be going round with big smug grins wondering what to do with >>>> their spare dosh. >>>> Unlikely >>>> I should think. Don't you? > >>> The point would be just as well-made - pwrhaps even better-made - if >>> only >>> Western European countries were included. >>> Just think of the EU as it was around ten years ago. Except for >>> Norway, we >>> are the most expensive, and probably very near the bottom for wage >>> levels. > >> Well, you provided list. If anybody wants to use it as evidence of high >> British tax rates, it completely fails. > > What ARE you talking about? There's only one country on the list with a > higher tax rate. *All* the difference is accounted for by tax. Just look > at the USA price (where the tax on fuel is a fraction of what it is here). > However in the USA, they pay a shitload of taxes for other things. > You are therefore 100% incorrect. Perhaps not quite 100%, but you could > get there is you tried a tiny bit harder. > >> Though, I wouldn't be surprised if, out of the 10 peers, motoring taxes >> overall, as a proportion of incomes, are well off the top rates. > > Whatever that means. > > Britain has the second highest tax on fuel in the discovered world, > outdone only by Norway. And? As a percentage of income, its lower than it was 20 years ago. -- Conor I'm not prejudiced. I hate everyone equally.
From: Conor on 3 May 2010 13:02 On 03/05/2010 14:57, JNugent wrote: > Conor wrote: > >> On 02/05/2010 23:42, JNugent wrote: > >>> So how - as the inevitable supplementary - does the amount (or the >>> existence) of the NMW affect your buying power? >>> It doesn't affect mine. > >> It doesn't affect it if you're paid above it however if you are on >> NMW, the annual increases have been above inflation. > > Since you aren't on it (and presumably haven't been on it), it seems odd > that you should cite it as a factor in your feeling of being "better > off" in fuel price terms. I didn't cite it as being a factor, that's something you've decided I did all on your own. I mentioned that NMW was one of the good things they brought in. -- Conor I'm not prejudiced. I hate everyone equally.
From: Conor on 3 May 2010 13:02 On 03/05/2010 16:40, Silk wrote: > On 03/05/2010 14:57, JNugent wrote: >> Conor wrote: >> >>> On 02/05/2010 23:42, JNugent wrote: >> >>>> So how - as the inevitable supplementary - does the amount (or the >>>> existence) of the NMW affect your buying power? >>>> It doesn't affect mine. >> >>> It doesn't affect it if you're paid above it however if you are on >>> NMW, the annual increases have been above inflation. >> >> Since you aren't on it (and presumably haven't been on it), it seems odd >> that you should cite it as a factor in your feeling of being "better >> off" in fuel price terms. > > Typical Northern Labour voter: clueless when it comes to the bigger > picture. Typical Tory Southerner...selfish to the core. -- Conor I'm not prejudiced. I hate everyone equally.
From: JNugent on 3 May 2010 13:25
Conor wrote: > On 03/05/2010 14:56, JNugent wrote: >> DavidR wrote: >>> "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote >>>> DavidR wrote: >>>>> "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote >>>>>> DIESEL PRICES IN EUROPE & USA ... >>>>>> UK pence per litre (�1.21 in the UK) >>>>>> >>>>>> STARTQUOTE: >>>>>> Austria 98.78 no tolls >>>>>> Belgium 101.06 no tolls >>>>>> Czech 105.59 >>>>>> Denmark 115.39 no tolls >>>>>> Finland 100.09 >>>>>> France 111.58 >>>>>> Germany 107.64 no tolls >>>>>> Greece 106.58 >>>>>> Netherlands 107.28 no tolls >>>>>> Hungary 103.34 >>>>>> Ireland 107.02 >>>>>> Italy 113.78 >>>>>> Luxembourg 89.30 no tolls >>>>>> Estonia 96.38 >>>>>> Norway 130.64* (only one where fuel costs more than in the UK) >>>>>> Latvia 95.01 >>>>>> Lithuania 90.10 >>>>>> Poland Z93.63 >>>>>> Slovakia 97.02 >>>>>> Slovenia 98.69 >>>>>> Portugal 93.34 >>>>>> Spain 95.62 >>>>>> Sweden 116.27 >>>>>> Switzerland 106.96 no tolls (you have to pay an annual road tax) >>>>>> United States of America 52.89 >>>>>> Malta 90.35 >>>>>> Bulgaria 96.39 >> >>>>> I wonder how it would look if the list was quoted as a proportion of >>>>> average income for each country. I expect the Maltese or Bulgarians >>>>> must be going round with big smug grins wondering what to do with >>>>> their spare dosh. >>>>> Unlikely >>>>> I should think. Don't you? >> >>>> The point would be just as well-made - pwrhaps even better-made - if >>>> only >>>> Western European countries were included. >>>> Just think of the EU as it was around ten years ago. Except for >>>> Norway, we >>>> are the most expensive, and probably very near the bottom for wage >>>> levels. >> >>> Well, you provided list. If anybody wants to use it as evidence of high >>> British tax rates, it completely fails. >> >> What ARE you talking about? There's only one country on the list with a >> higher tax rate. *All* the difference is accounted for by tax. Just look >> at the USA price (where the tax on fuel is a fraction of what it is >> here). >> > However in the USA, they pay a shitload of taxes for other things. > >> You are therefore 100% incorrect. Perhaps not quite 100%, but you could >> get there is you tried a tiny bit harder. >> >>> Though, I wouldn't be surprised if, out of the 10 peers, motoring taxes >>> overall, as a proportion of incomes, are well off the top rates. >> >> Whatever that means. >> >> Britain has the second highest tax on fuel in the discovered world, >> outdone only by Norway. > > And? As a percentage of income, its lower than it was 20 years ago. 20 years ago, we had the cheapest fuel in Europe, not the most expensive (once one disrgards Norway). > |