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From: JNugent on 4 May 2010 03:33 Brimstone wrote: > > > "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message > news:UsedncYJSIkp3ULWnZ2dnUVZ8opi4p2d(a)pipex.net... >> DavidR wrote: >>> "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote >>>> DavidR wrote: >>>>> "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote >>>>>> DavidR wrote: >>>>>>> Though, I wouldn't be surprised if, out of the 10 peers, motoring >>>>>>> taxes >>>>>>> overall, as a proportion of incomes, are well off the top rates. >>>>>> Whatever that means. >>>>> It means what it says. >>>> The meaning is nevertheless very well disguised. >>>> >>>>> (btw, motoring taxes aren't just the fuel tax.) >>>> Make no mistake: I'd rather see higher road tax and lower fuel tax. It >>>> would have all sorts of benefits. >>> >>> Chorus ...there is no road tax. >>> >>> Don't agree. Just a showroom tax (*) and fuel tax. >>> >>> (*) that works like stamp duty. >> >> We have that - it's called VAT, at 17.5% (a huge sum on even a cheap >> new car). >> >> We do have road tax. Why some people insist on denying it is a mystery. > > We HAD road tax but it was abolished long ago, before most of the people > contributing to this news group were born. Quite why some people cling > to redundant terminology is not yet understood. Don't. You clearly have no idea how silly and fifth-form and... Hansenesque... that makes you look. AFAIAA, no motoring tax has ever been abolished in the UK except just one: Special Car Tax (an extra percentage tax levied on cars after the introduction of VAT , because VAT was lower than the considerable sums levied in the abolished Purchase Tax). *It was abolished by the Major government* - it was the measure which (at last) allowed car prices to be the same - broadly - as those in continental Europe. Changes in the name of a tax are not abolition. They are just weasel words - something that some people are very good at. > >
From: JNugent on 4 May 2010 03:36 Brimstone wrote: > > > "Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOOOO!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote in message > news:hrogd0$dvu$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:UNmdnXobEfCLI0LWnZ2dnUVZ8mGdnZ2d(a)bt.com... >>> >>> >>> "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message >>> news:UsedncYJSIkp3ULWnZ2dnUVZ8opi4p2d(a)pipex.net... >>>> DavidR wrote: >>>>> "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote >>>>>> DavidR wrote: >>>>>>> "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote >>>>>>>> DavidR wrote: >>>>>>>>> Though, I wouldn't be surprised if, out of the 10 peers, >>>>>>>>> motoring taxes >>>>>>>>> overall, as a proportion of incomes, are well off the top rates. >>>>>>>> Whatever that means. >>>>>>> It means what it says. >>>>>> The meaning is nevertheless very well disguised. >>>>>> >>>>>>> (btw, motoring taxes aren't just the fuel tax.) >>>>>> Make no mistake: I'd rather see higher road tax and lower fuel >>>>>> tax. It >>>>>> would have all sorts of benefits. >>>>> >>>>> Chorus ...there is no road tax. >>>>> >>>>> Don't agree. Just a showroom tax (*) and fuel tax. >>>>> >>>>> (*) that works like stamp duty. >>>> >>>> We have that - it's called VAT, at 17.5% (a huge sum on even a cheap >>>> new car). >>>> >>>> We do have road tax. Why some people insist on denying it is a mystery. >>> >>> We HAD road tax but it was abolished long ago, before most of the >>> people contributing to this news group were born. Quite why some >>> people cling to redundant terminology is not yet understood. >>> >> And here we have a fine example of willy-waving and hair splitting >> that this group is famous for. >> >> Yes , it may not have been officially called Road Tax for a very long >> time , but everyone knows exactly what is meant by the term. It's the >> money you hand over to get the coloured disk to stick in your windscreen >> > As usual, you overlook the wider implications. Because of the continuing > use of incorrect names and terminology some small minded people make > assumptions about others, hence correct names should be used. Translation: "The Thought Police want you think differently. And you will If we have anything to do with it." Road Tax (not that it was ever actually officially called exactly that) is still in force. Everyone knows what it is. The GOVERNMENT used that very term in their "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang camapign against road-tax dodgers a few years ago.
From: Brimstone on 4 May 2010 03:39 "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message news:dP6dnQLXQdZWUELWnZ2dnUVZ8kOdnZ2d(a)pipex.net... > Brimstone wrote: >> >> >> "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message >> news:UsedncYJSIkp3ULWnZ2dnUVZ8opi4p2d(a)pipex.net... >>> DavidR wrote: >>>> "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote >>>>> DavidR wrote: >>>>>> "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote >>>>>>> DavidR wrote: >>>>>>>> Though, I wouldn't be surprised if, out of the 10 peers, motoring >>>>>>>> taxes >>>>>>>> overall, as a proportion of incomes, are well off the top rates. >>>>>>> Whatever that means. >>>>>> It means what it says. >>>>> The meaning is nevertheless very well disguised. >>>>> >>>>>> (btw, motoring taxes aren't just the fuel tax.) >>>>> Make no mistake: I'd rather see higher road tax and lower fuel tax. It >>>>> would have all sorts of benefits. >>>> >>>> Chorus ...there is no road tax. >>>> >>>> Don't agree. Just a showroom tax (*) and fuel tax. >>>> >>>> (*) that works like stamp duty. >>> >>> We have that - it's called VAT, at 17.5% (a huge sum on even a cheap new >>> car). >>> >>> We do have road tax. Why some people insist on denying it is a mystery. >> >> We HAD road tax but it was abolished long ago, before most of the people >> contributing to this news group were born. Quite why some people cling to >> redundant terminology is not yet understood. > > Don't. > > You clearly have no idea how silly and fifth-form and... Hansenesque... > that makes you look. Ah, personal insult, excellent. ;-) > AFAIAA, no motoring tax has ever been abolished in the UK except just one: > Special Car Tax (an extra percentage tax levied on cars after the > introduction of VAT , because VAT was lower than the considerable sums > levied in the abolished Purchase Tax). *It was abolished by the Major > government* - it was the measure which (at last) allowed car prices to be > the same - broadly - as those in continental Europe. > > Changes in the name of a tax are not abolition. They are just weasel > words - something that some people are very good at. >> Indeed, I've been taking lessons from JNugent, the acknowledged master.
From: Silk on 4 May 2010 04:35 On 03/05/2010 18:02, Conor wrote: > On 03/05/2010 16:40, Silk wrote: >> On 03/05/2010 14:57, JNugent wrote: >>> Conor wrote: >>> >>>> On 02/05/2010 23:42, JNugent wrote: >>> >>>>> So how - as the inevitable supplementary - does the amount (or the >>>>> existence) of the NMW affect your buying power? >>>>> It doesn't affect mine. >>> >>>> It doesn't affect it if you're paid above it however if you are on >>>> NMW, the annual increases have been above inflation. >>> >>> Since you aren't on it (and presumably haven't been on it), it seems odd >>> that you should cite it as a factor in your feeling of being "better >>> off" in fuel price terms. >> >> Typical Northern Labour voter: clueless when it comes to the bigger >> picture. > > Typical Tory Southerner...selfish to the core. > My politics are a matter of choice, not misguided duty.
From: Silk on 4 May 2010 04:37
On 03/05/2010 23:13, JNugent wrote: > Do people on the National Minimum Wage usually run cars? People in the lower orders have to go on "disability" in order to be able to afford a car. |