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From: JNugent on 4 May 2010 05:14 Brimstone wrote: > > > "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message > news:dP6dnQLXQdZWUELWnZ2dnUVZ8kOdnZ2d(a)pipex.net... >> Brimstone wrote: >>> >>> >>> "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message >>> news:UsedncYJSIkp3ULWnZ2dnUVZ8opi4p2d(a)pipex.net... >>>> DavidR wrote: >>>>> "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote >>>>>> DavidR wrote: >>>>>>> "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote >>>>>>>> DavidR wrote: >>>>>>>>> Though, I wouldn't be surprised if, out of the 10 peers, >>>>>>>>> motoring taxes >>>>>>>>> overall, as a proportion of incomes, are well off the top rates. >>>>>>>> Whatever that means. >>>>>>> It means what it says. >>>>>> The meaning is nevertheless very well disguised. >>>>>> >>>>>>> (btw, motoring taxes aren't just the fuel tax.) >>>>>> Make no mistake: I'd rather see higher road tax and lower fuel >>>>>> tax. It >>>>>> would have all sorts of benefits. >>>>> >>>>> Chorus ...there is no road tax. >>>>> >>>>> Don't agree. Just a showroom tax (*) and fuel tax. >>>>> >>>>> (*) that works like stamp duty. >>>> >>>> We have that - it's called VAT, at 17.5% (a huge sum on even a cheap >>>> new car). >>>> >>>> We do have road tax. Why some people insist on denying it is a mystery. >>> >>> We HAD road tax but it was abolished long ago, before most of the >>> people contributing to this news group were born. Quite why some >>> people cling to redundant terminology is not yet understood. >> >> Don't. >> >> You clearly have no idea how silly and fifth-form and... >> Hansenesque... that makes you look. > > Ah, personal insult, excellent. ;-) LOL! >> AFAIAA, no motoring tax has ever been abolished in the UK except just >> one: Special Car Tax (an extra percentage tax levied on cars after the >> introduction of VAT , because VAT was lower than the considerable sums >> levied in the abolished Purchase Tax). *It was abolished by the Major >> government* - it was the measure which (at last) allowed car prices to >> be the same - broadly - as those in continental Europe. >> Changes in the name of a tax are not abolition. They are just weasel >> words - something that some people are very good at. > Indeed, I've been taking lessons from JNugent, the acknowledged master. I am cut to the quick. I always choose my words carefully. The meaning of my posts often hinges around the order of two consecutive words. > >
From: Brimstone on 4 May 2010 05:40 "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message news:U_6dnapho4sfeELWnZ2dnUVZ8oBi4p2d(a)pipex.net... > Brimstone wrote: >> >> "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message >> news:dP6dnQLXQdZWUELWnZ2dnUVZ8kOdnZ2d(a)pipex.net... >>> Changes in the name of a tax are not abolition. They are just weasel >>> words - something that some people are very good at. > >> Indeed, I've been taking lessons from JNugent, the acknowledged master. > > I am cut to the quick. I always choose my words carefully. The meaning of > my posts often hinges around the order of two consecutive words. >> That doesn't stop them being weasel words. The change in the name of what is usually referred to as "road tax" was when it altered from being "Road Fund Licence" and the "pot" holding the money also changed. Therefore, it wasn't merely a change of words but a change in the administration of the money collected as well. (Yes, I know it still had to be bloody well paid.)
From: Brimstone on 4 May 2010 05:44 "Silk" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:hrom87$ki2$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... > My politics are a matter of choice, Indeed, guided by narrow self interest, as are most other people. > not misguided duty. Quite true, to have a sense of duty would mark you out from the masses.
From: JNugent on 4 May 2010 05:59 Brimstone wrote: > > > "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message > news:U_6dnapho4sfeELWnZ2dnUVZ8oBi4p2d(a)pipex.net... >> Brimstone wrote: >>> >>> "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message >>> news:dP6dnQLXQdZWUELWnZ2dnUVZ8kOdnZ2d(a)pipex.net... > >>>> Changes in the name of a tax are not abolition. They are just weasel >>>> words - something that some people are very good at. >> >>> Indeed, I've been taking lessons from JNugent, the acknowledged master. >> >> I am cut to the quick. I always choose my words carefully. The meaning >> of my posts often hinges around the order of two consecutive words. >>> > That doesn't stop them being weasel words. > > The change in the name of what is usually referred to as "road tax" was > when it altered from being "Road Fund Licence" and the "pot" holding the > money also changed. Therefore, it wasn't merely a change of words but a > change in the administration of the money collected as well. (Yes, I > know it still had to be bloody well paid.) So many changes. When was it abolished, do you say?
From: Derek C on 4 May 2010 06:47
On May 4, 8:36 am, JNugent <J...(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote: > Brimstone wrote: > > > "Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOOOO!!!...@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote in message > >news:hrogd0$dvu$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > >> "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > >>news:UNmdnXobEfCLI0LWnZ2dnUVZ8mGdnZ2d(a)bt.com... > > >>> "JNugent" <J...(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message > >>>news:UsedncYJSIkp3ULWnZ2dnUVZ8opi4p2d(a)pipex.net... > >>>> DavidR wrote: > >>>>> "JNugent" <J...(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote > >>>>>> DavidR wrote: > >>>>>>> "JNugent" <J...(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote > >>>>>>>> DavidR wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Though, I wouldn't be surprised if, out of the 10 peers, > >>>>>>>>> motoring taxes > >>>>>>>>> overall, as a proportion of incomes, are well off the top rates.. > >>>>>>>> Whatever that means. > >>>>>>> It means what it says. > >>>>>> The meaning is nevertheless very well disguised. > > >>>>>>> (btw, motoring taxes aren't just the fuel tax.) > >>>>>> Make no mistake: I'd rather see higher road tax and lower fuel > >>>>>> tax. It > >>>>>> would have all sorts of benefits. > > >>>>> Chorus ...there is no road tax. > > >>>>> Don't agree. Just a showroom tax (*) and fuel tax. > > >>>>> (*) that works like stamp duty. > > >>>> We have that - it's called VAT, at 17.5% (a huge sum on even a cheap > >>>> new car). > > >>>> We do have road tax. Why some people insist on denying it is a mystery. > > >>> We HAD road tax but it was abolished long ago, before most of the > >>> people contributing to this news group were born. Quite why some > >>> people cling to redundant terminology is not yet understood. > > >> And here we have a fine example of willy-waving and hair splitting > >> that this group is famous for. > > >> Yes , it may not have been officially called Road Tax for a very long > >> time , but everyone knows exactly what is meant by the term. It's the > >> money you hand over to get the coloured disk to stick in your windscreen > > > As usual, you overlook the wider implications. Because of the continuing > > use of incorrect names and terminology some small minded people make > > assumptions about others, hence correct names should be used. > > Translation: > > "The Thought Police want you think differently. And you will If we have > anything to do with it." > > Road Tax (not that it was ever actually officially called exactly that) is > still in force. Everyone knows what it is. The GOVERNMENT used that very term > in their "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang camapign against road-tax dodgers a few > years ago.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - The taxes and duties from motorists are just added to the general taxation pot, as are National Insurance Contributions (there is no fund). This is known as non-hypothecation. This allows the Government to waste as much money as they like on things like unnecessary vainglorious wars, overseas aid, contributions to the EC, and MP's expenses! Derek |