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From: Brimstone on 4 May 2010 06:59 "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message news:pfqdnUI8A914ckLWnZ2dnUVZ8ghi4p2d(a)pipex.net... > Brimstone wrote: >> >> >> "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message >> news:U_6dnapho4sfeELWnZ2dnUVZ8oBi4p2d(a)pipex.net... >>> Brimstone wrote: >>>> >>>> "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message >>>> news:dP6dnQLXQdZWUELWnZ2dnUVZ8kOdnZ2d(a)pipex.net... >> >>>>> Changes in the name of a tax are not abolition. They are just weasel >>>>> words - something that some people are very good at. >>> >>>> Indeed, I've been taking lessons from JNugent, the acknowledged master. >>> >>> I am cut to the quick. I always choose my words carefully. The meaning >>> of my posts often hinges around the order of two consecutive words. >>>> >> That doesn't stop them being weasel words. >> >> The change in the name of what is usually referred to as "road tax" was >> when it altered from being "Road Fund Licence" and the "pot" holding the >> money also changed. Therefore, it wasn't merely a change of words but a >> change in the administration of the money collected as well. (Yes, I know >> it still had to be bloody well paid.) > > So many changes. > > When was it abolished, do you say? I didn't, but according to http://ipayroadtax.com/?p=54 (The Road Fund) created in 1909, mortally wounded in 1926 by then Chancellor of the Exchequer Winston Churchill and no longer ring-fenced by 1937. (There's some interesting material on that site, the person/s who put it together have obviously done some homework.)
From: JNugent on 4 May 2010 07:04 Derek C wrote: > On May 4, 8:36 am, JNugent <J...(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote: >> Brimstone wrote: >> >>> "Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOOOO!!!...@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote in message >>> news:hrogd0$dvu$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>> "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:UNmdnXobEfCLI0LWnZ2dnUVZ8mGdnZ2d(a)bt.com... >>>>> "JNugent" <J...(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:UsedncYJSIkp3ULWnZ2dnUVZ8opi4p2d(a)pipex.net... >>>>>> DavidR wrote: >>>>>>> "JNugent" <J...(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote >>>>>>>> DavidR wrote: >>>>>>>>> "JNugent" <J...(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote >>>>>>>>>> DavidR wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Though, I wouldn't be surprised if, out of the 10 peers, >>>>>>>>>>> motoring taxes >>>>>>>>>>> overall, as a proportion of incomes, are well off the top rates.. >>>>>>>>>> Whatever that means. >>>>>>>>> It means what it says. >>>>>>>> The meaning is nevertheless very well disguised. >>>>>>>>> (btw, motoring taxes aren't just the fuel tax.) >>>>>>>> Make no mistake: I'd rather see higher road tax and lower fuel >>>>>>>> tax. It >>>>>>>> would have all sorts of benefits. >>>>>>> Chorus ...there is no road tax. >>>>>>> Don't agree. Just a showroom tax (*) and fuel tax. >>>>>>> (*) that works like stamp duty. >>>>>> We have that - it's called VAT, at 17.5% (a huge sum on even a cheap >>>>>> new car). >>>>>> We do have road tax. Why some people insist on denying it is a mystery. >>>>> We HAD road tax but it was abolished long ago, before most of the >>>>> people contributing to this news group were born. Quite why some >>>>> people cling to redundant terminology is not yet understood. >>>> And here we have a fine example of willy-waving and hair splitting >>>> that this group is famous for. >>>> Yes , it may not have been officially called Road Tax for a very long >>>> time , but everyone knows exactly what is meant by the term. It's the >>>> money you hand over to get the coloured disk to stick in your windscreen >>> As usual, you overlook the wider implications. Because of the continuing >>> use of incorrect names and terminology some small minded people make >>> assumptions about others, hence correct names should be used. >> Translation: >> >> "The Thought Police want you think differently. And you will If we have >> anything to do with it." >> >> Road Tax (not that it was ever actually officially called exactly that) is >> still in force. Everyone knows what it is. The GOVERNMENT used that very term >> in their "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang camapign against road-tax dodgers a few >> years ago.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > The taxes and duties from motorists are just added to the general > taxation pot, as are National Insurance Contributions (there is no > fund). This is known as non-hypothecation. Yes. We know. It doesn't mean that they don't have to pay road tax.
From: JNugent on 4 May 2010 07:05 Brimstone wrote: > > > "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message > news:pfqdnUI8A914ckLWnZ2dnUVZ8ghi4p2d(a)pipex.net... >> Brimstone wrote: >>> >>> >>> "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message >>> news:U_6dnapho4sfeELWnZ2dnUVZ8oBi4p2d(a)pipex.net... >>>> Brimstone wrote: >>>>> >>>>> "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:dP6dnQLXQdZWUELWnZ2dnUVZ8kOdnZ2d(a)pipex.net... >>> >>>>>> Changes in the name of a tax are not abolition. They are just >>>>>> weasel words - something that some people are very good at. >>>> >>>>> Indeed, I've been taking lessons from JNugent, the acknowledged >>>>> master. >>>> >>>> I am cut to the quick. I always choose my words carefully. The >>>> meaning of my posts often hinges around the order of two consecutive >>>> words. >>>>> >>> That doesn't stop them being weasel words. >>> >>> The change in the name of what is usually referred to as "road tax" >>> was when it altered from being "Road Fund Licence" and the "pot" >>> holding the money also changed. Therefore, it wasn't merely a change >>> of words but a change in the administration of the money collected as >>> well. (Yes, I know it still had to be bloody well paid.) >> >> So many changes. >> >> When was it abolished, do you say? > > I didn't, but according to http://ipayroadtax.com/?p=54 > > (The Road Fund) created in 1909, mortally wounded in 1926 by then > Chancellor of the Exchequer Winston Churchill and no longer ring-fenced > by 1937. > > (There's some interesting material on that site, the person/s who put it > together have obviously done some homework.) But when was it abolished? This is of some importance. My road tax disc expires at the end of May and if I don't have to pay again, that'd be very helpful. > >
From: Brimstone on 4 May 2010 07:30 "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message news:bLWdnUOxjfjyYkLWnZ2dnUVZ8ili4p2d(a)pipex.net... > Brimstone wrote: >> >> >> "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message >> news:pfqdnUI8A914ckLWnZ2dnUVZ8ghi4p2d(a)pipex.net... >>> Brimstone wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message >>>> news:U_6dnapho4sfeELWnZ2dnUVZ8oBi4p2d(a)pipex.net... >>>>> Brimstone wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:dP6dnQLXQdZWUELWnZ2dnUVZ8kOdnZ2d(a)pipex.net... >>>> >>>>>>> Changes in the name of a tax are not abolition. They are just weasel >>>>>>> words - something that some people are very good at. >>>>> >>>>>> Indeed, I've been taking lessons from JNugent, the acknowledged >>>>>> master. >>>>> >>>>> I am cut to the quick. I always choose my words carefully. The meaning >>>>> of my posts often hinges around the order of two consecutive words. >>>>>> >>>> That doesn't stop them being weasel words. >>>> >>>> The change in the name of what is usually referred to as "road tax" was >>>> when it altered from being "Road Fund Licence" and the "pot" holding >>>> the money also changed. Therefore, it wasn't merely a change of words >>>> but a change in the administration of the money collected as well. >>>> (Yes, I know it still had to be bloody well paid.) >>> >>> So many changes. >>> >>> When was it abolished, do you say? >> >> I didn't, but according to http://ipayroadtax.com/?p=54 >> >> (The Road Fund) created in 1909, mortally wounded in 1926 by then >> Chancellor of the Exchequer Winston Churchill and no longer ring-fenced >> by 1937. >> >> (There's some interesting material on that site, the person/s who put it >> together have obviously done some homework.) > > But when was it abolished? > > This is of some importance. My road tax disc expires at the end of May and > if I don't have to pay again, that'd be very helpful. >> Ho ho. Nice try.
From: ChelseaTractorMan on 4 May 2010 07:45
On Sat, 1 May 2010 22:33:49 -0700 (PDT), Derek C <del.copeland(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >Over the last 13 years motorists and air travellers have been >persecuted and taxed to deat if only air travel had! -- Mike. .. . Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine. |