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From: JNugent on 2 May 2010 11:32 GeoffC wrote: > Conor wrote: >> On 02/05/2010 06:33, Derek C wrote: >>> Over the last 13 years motorists and air travellers have been >>> persecuted and taxed to death by Gordon Brown and Co. Remember the >>> fuel duty escalator, attacks on 4x4 SUVs, special VED on new large >>> engined cars, Congestion Charges, Airport Passenger Duty, poorly >>> maintained potholed roads despite all the motoring taxes, etc, etc. >>> Many of these based on unproven Man Made Climate Change science. >>> >>> I trust that you will remember all these when voting on Thursday. >>> >> The potholes are down to the councils spending the money they're given >> elsewhere. >> >> Fuel, as a percentage of income (thanks to the NMW brought in by >> Labour) is cheaper than it was when I started driving 20 years ago, >> likewise road tax. > > > Yup, UK is one of the cheapest places in W.Europe to run a car and the > cheaper countries have road tolls, (lots of 'em). > So stop whingeing. The cheapest in W Europe is Luxembourg. Even with the pound at Brown's currecnt, incompetent, vastly-devalued rate against the Euro, diesel is just under two-thirds of the UK price (when the pound is correctly valued against the euro, it's more like half). There are no road tolls in Luxembourg. Similar tales can be told of the Netherlands and Belgium (though Luxembourg is cheaper). There are no road tolls in Germany (where fuel is cheaper than here by about 13p a litre). <http://www.theaa.com/onlinenews/allaboutcars/fuel/2010/april2010.pdf> DIESEL PRICES IN EUROPE & USA ... UK pence per litre (�1.21 in the UK) STARTQUOTE: Austria 98.78 no tolls Belgium 101.06 no tolls Czech 105.59 Denmark 115.39 no tolls Finland 100.09 France 111.58 Germany 107.64 no tolls Greece 106.58 Netherlands 107.28 no tolls Hungary 103.34 Ireland 107.02 Italy 113.78 Luxembourg 89.30 no tolls Estonia 96.38 Norway 130.64* (only one where fuel costs more than in the UK) Latvia 95.01 Lithuania 90.10 Poland Z93.63 Slovakia 97.02 Slovenia 98.69 Portugal 93.34 Spain 95.62 Sweden 116.27 Switzerland 106.96 no tolls (you have to pay an annual road tax) United States of America 52.89 Malta 90.35 Bulgaria 96.39 Note: We receive international prices to 3 decimal places and calculate the UK pence per litre on that price. ENDQUOTE How does it feel to be 100% (OK, 99%) wrong?
From: Nick Finnigan on 2 May 2010 11:34 McKevvy wrote: > So how can public transport be cheaper than car? Imagine if I gave a If it is only run where it is worthwhile. > lift to someone from Markinch to Dundee by car (currently �14.20 rtn > by train) and we split the cost in two? It would be nowhere near the > price of the train. > Nationalise the public transport network and make it *truly* public. And even more expensive.
From: Brimstone on 2 May 2010 11:48 "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message news:waqdnX7q45OZBUDWnZ2dnUVZ7v6dnZ2d(a)pipex.net... > Brimstone wrote: >> >> >> "Derek C" <del.copeland(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:bd1985ca-b750-41df-bae7-1c2c72a50450(a)y36g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... >>> On May 2, 8:41 am, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> "Derek C" <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message >>>> >>>> news:bbb423ba-85fd-4acc-bb9d-9360dcee38cb(a)i10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... >>>> >>>> > Over the last 13 years motorists and air travellers have been >>>> > persecuted and taxed to death by Gordon Brown and Co. Remember the >>>> > fuel duty escalator, >>>> >>>> Introduced by the Tories and removed by Labour. >>> >>> Not always implemented by Nu Labour because the Government were >>> frightened of riots. It has been this year and in a staged manner. >> >> Show me where the Fuel Duty Escalator has been reintroduced. > > Three separate 1p a litre (4.545p a gallon) increases in the tax, plus > 17.5% on top of each of those in VAT, inside a year. > Let's see - in a hypothetical case where fuel was previously costing �1 a > litre (�4.55 a gallon), that would raise the price to �1.03525 a litre > (�4.71 a gallon). > > Does that not count, simply because the government - dishonestly have not > applied the name to it? > No it doesn't, that is the annual increase in fuel duty staged over several months rather than dumping on those paying all at once. It's not the fuel duty escalator. You obviously don't know what the Fuel Duty Escalator was.
From: Mr. Benn on 2 May 2010 12:22 "Derek C" <del.copeland(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message news:4c7b381b-a1c8-4f10-869e-7f30cb3473b0(a)l32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... On May 2, 1:07 pm, FrengaX <hnkjqr...(a)sneakemail.com> wrote: > On May 2, 6:33 am, Derek C <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > > > Over the last 13 years motorists and air travellers have been > > persecuted and taxed to death by Gordon Brown and Co. Remember the > > fuel duty escalator, attacks on 4x4 SUVs, special VED on new large > > engined cars, Congestion Charges, Airport Passenger Duty, poorly > > maintained potholed roads despite all the motoring taxes, etc, etc. > > Many of these based on unproven Man Made Climate Change science. > > > I trust that you will remember all these when voting on Thursday. > > You think that somehow the Tories, if they get in, will reverse any of > these? I think not. The Tories are more likely than (Nu) Labour to be motorist friendly. No idea what the Lib-Dems would be like. Derek C ---------- Much worse than Labour I have heard.
From: Dr Zoidberg on 2 May 2010 12:23
"Derek C" <del.copeland(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message news:bbb423ba-85fd-4acc-bb9d-9360dcee38cb(a)i10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... > Over the last 13 years motorists and air travellers have been > persecuted and taxed to death by Gordon Brown and Co. Remember the > fuel duty escalator, Introduced by the conservatives , scrapped by labour. > attacks on 4x4 SUVs, special VED on new large > engined cars, Congestion Charges, Airport Passenger Duty, poorly > maintained potholed roads despite all the motoring taxes, etc, etc. > Many of these based on unproven Man Made Climate Change science. > > I trust that you will remember all these when voting on Thursday. > And had the conservatives been in power , motoring would have been just as costly if not more so. -- Alex |