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From: Steve Firth on 2 May 2010 17:36 DavidR <curedham(a)4bidden.org.uk> wrote: > > Switzerland 106.96 no tolls (you have to pay an annual road tax) Which, it has to be stated, is about 1/10th of the tax paid on the average UK vehicle. And if you don't want to travel on a motorway you don't have to pay the tax.
From: Conor on 2 May 2010 18:34 On 02/05/2010 16:14, JNugent wrote: > Conor wrote: >> On 02/05/2010 06:33, Derek C wrote: >>> Over the last 13 years motorists and air travellers have been >>> persecuted and taxed to death by Gordon Brown and Co. Remember the >>> fuel duty escalator, attacks on 4x4 SUVs, special VED on new large >>> engined cars, Congestion Charges, Airport Passenger Duty, poorly >>> maintained potholed roads despite all the motoring taxes, etc, etc. >>> Many of these based on unproven Man Made Climate Change science. >>> >>> I trust that you will remember all these when voting on Thursday. >>> >> >> The potholes are down to the councils spending the money they're given >> elsewhere. >> >> Fuel, as a percentage of income (thanks to the NMW brought in by >> Labour) is cheaper than it was when I started driving 20 years ago, >> likewise road tax. > > Do you get paid the National Minimum Wage, then? No, more than that. Fuel, as a percentage of income of even someone on the dole, is cheaper than it was 20 years ago -- Conor I'm not prejudiced. I hate everyone equally.
From: JNugent on 2 May 2010 18:42 Conor wrote: > On 02/05/2010 16:14, JNugent wrote: >> Conor wrote: >>> On 02/05/2010 06:33, Derek C wrote: >>>> Over the last 13 years motorists and air travellers have been >>>> persecuted and taxed to death by Gordon Brown and Co. Remember the >>>> fuel duty escalator, attacks on 4x4 SUVs, special VED on new large >>>> engined cars, Congestion Charges, Airport Passenger Duty, poorly >>>> maintained potholed roads despite all the motoring taxes, etc, etc. >>>> Many of these based on unproven Man Made Climate Change science. >>>> >>>> I trust that you will remember all these when voting on Thursday. >>>> >>> >>> The potholes are down to the councils spending the money they're given >>> elsewhere. >>> >>> Fuel, as a percentage of income (thanks to the NMW brought in by >>> Labour) is cheaper than it was when I started driving 20 years ago, >>> likewise road tax. >> >> Do you get paid the National Minimum Wage, then? > > No, more than that. Fuel, as a percentage of income of even someone on > the dole, is cheaper than it was 20 years ago So how - as the inevitable supplementary - does the amount (or the existence) of the NMW affect your buying power? It doesn't affect mine.
From: Brimstone on 3 May 2010 03:03 "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message news:c5ednfFN59acc0DWnZ2dnUVZ8vNi4p2d(a)pipex.net... > Brimstone wrote: >> >> >> "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message >> news:gq-dnfpK6J0hJEDWnZ2dnUVZ8h5i4p2d(a)pipex.net... >>> Brimstone wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message >>>> news:QIKdnblQlMSAK0DWnZ2dnUVZ8vdi4p2d(a)pipex.net... >>>>> Brimstone wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:waqdnX7q45OZBUDWnZ2dnUVZ7v6dnZ2d(a)pipex.net... >>>>>>> Brimstone wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Derek C" <del.copeland(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:bd1985ca-b750-41df-bae7-1c2c72a50450(a)y36g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>>> On May 2, 8:41 am, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> "Derek C" <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> news:bbb423ba-85fd-4acc-bb9d-9360dcee38cb(a)i10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > Over the last 13 years motorists and air travellers have been >>>>>>>>>> > persecuted and taxed to death by Gordon Brown and Co. >>>>>>>>>> Remember > the >>>>>>>>>> > fuel duty escalator, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Introduced by the Tories and removed by Labour. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Not always implemented by Nu Labour because the Government were >>>>>>>>> frightened of riots. It has been this year and in a staged manner. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Show me where the Fuel Duty Escalator has been reintroduced. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Three separate 1p a litre (4.545p a gallon) increases in the tax, >>>>>>> plus 17.5% on top of each of those in VAT, inside a year. >>>>>>> Let's see - in a hypothetical case where fuel was previously costing >>>>>>> �1 a litre (�4.55 a gallon), that would raise the price to �1.03525 >>>>>>> a litre (�4.71 a gallon). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Does that not count, simply because the government - dishonestly >>>>>>> have not applied the name to it? >>>>>>> >>>>>> No it doesn't, that is the annual increase in fuel duty staged over >>>>>> several months rather than dumping on those paying all at once. It's >>>>>> not the fuel duty escalator. >>>>>> >>>>>> You obviously don't know what the Fuel Duty Escalator was. >>>>> >>>>> Never mind the name of it - we all know that Labour have been >>>>> terrified since 2000 of a re-emergence of the Peoples' Fuel Campaign - >>>>> what is the practical difference? >>>> >>>> If you don't know what the Fuel Duty Escalator was then there's no >>>> point in trying to explain. >>> >>> We all know what it was. >>> >>> The current system is the same thing. >> >> How so? > > Because it's no different? No different except that it doesn't exist, unless you can show different.
From: DavidR on 3 May 2010 06:32
"JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote > DavidR wrote: >> "JNugent" <JN(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote >>> >>> DIESEL PRICES IN EUROPE & USA ... >>> UK pence per litre (�1.21 in the UK) >>> >>> STARTQUOTE: >>> Austria 98.78 no tolls >>> Belgium 101.06 no tolls >>> Czech 105.59 >>> Denmark 115.39 no tolls >>> Finland 100.09 >>> France 111.58 >>> Germany 107.64 no tolls >>> Greece 106.58 >>> Netherlands 107.28 no tolls >>> Hungary 103.34 >>> Ireland 107.02 >>> Italy 113.78 >>> Luxembourg 89.30 no tolls >>> Estonia 96.38 >>> Norway 130.64* (only one where fuel costs more than in the UK) >>> Latvia 95.01 >>> Lithuania 90.10 >>> Poland Z93.63 >>> Slovakia 97.02 >>> Slovenia 98.69 >>> Portugal 93.34 >>> Spain 95.62 >>> Sweden 116.27 >>> Switzerland 106.96 no tolls (you have to pay an annual road tax) >>> United States of America 52.89 >>> Malta 90.35 >>> Bulgaria 96.39 >> >> I wonder how it would look if the list was quoted as a proportion of >> average >> income for each country. I expect the Maltese or Bulgarians must be going >> round with big smug grins wondering what to do with their spare dosh. >> Unlikely >> I should think. Don't you? > > The point would be just as well-made - pwrhaps even better-made - if only > Western European countries were included. > > Just think of the EU as it was around ten years ago. Except for Norway, we > are the most expensive, and probably very near the bottom for wage levels. Well, you provided list. If anybody wants to use it as evidence of high British tax rates, it completely fails. Though, I wouldn't be surprised if, out of the 10 peers, motoring taxes overall, as a proportion of incomes, are well off the top rates. |