From: Iain on
"JNugent" <jenningsltd(a)fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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> Iain wrote:
>> "Squashme" <squashme(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:7f986c47-a848-4f05-8ca1-050c290301c2(a)d16g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>>> On 24 June, 10:37, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "Partac" <petemac9...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> news:88gmlfFrphU1(a)mid.individual.net...>http://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/newsevents/newsevents-pressreleases...
>>>>
>>>> People who do this kind of thing should be very severely punished.
>>>
>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/3242048/Zebra-crossing-road-deaths-treble.html
>>>
>>> "Low fines, the reluctance of motorists to stop and, in some cases,
>>> lax design could be behind the rising death and injury toll, it is
>>> feared.
>>>
>>> "We live in a society where everyone is in a rush and one where people
>>> see the chances of getting caught as minimal," said Andrew Howard,
>>> head of road safety at the AA."
>>
>> I would disagree with that. There is a very strong tendency now for
>> pedestrians not to take the necessary care even when using crossings.
>> There is very little discipline, ie. the old-fashioned 'Stop, look and
>> listen'. People seem to assume that the traffic will stop for them. This
>> is very noticeable particularly at pedestrian crossings.
>
> For the few remaining zebra crossings (increasingly scrapped because they
> don't cause enough delay to traffic), that is exactly what should happen
> (the laws of physics permitting).

Yes - that is what should happen. But, (particularly because of the law of
physics) if pedestrians want to reduce the risk to themselves, they should
show a reasonable amount of respect to other road-users before crossing,
especially on crossings.

Iain

From: GT on
"Iain" <spam(a)smaps.net> wrote in message
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> "Squashme" <squashme(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7f986c47-a848-4f05-8ca1-050c290301c2(a)d16g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>> On 24 June, 10:37, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> "Partac" <petemac9...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:88gmlfFrphU1(a)mid.individual.net...>http://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/newsevents/newsevents-pressreleases...
>>>
>>> People who do this kind of thing should be very severely punished.
>>
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/3242048/Zebra-crossing-road-deaths-treble.html
>>
>> "Low fines, the reluctance of motorists to stop and, in some cases,
>> lax design could be behind the rising death and injury toll, it is
>> feared.
>>
>> "We live in a society where everyone is in a rush and one where people
>> see the chances of getting caught as minimal," said Andrew Howard,
>> head of road safety at the AA."
>
> I would disagree with that. There is a very strong tendency now for
> pedestrians not to take the necessary care even when using crossings.
> There is very little discipline, ie. the old-fashioned 'Stop, look and
> listen'. People seem to assume that the traffic will stop for them. This
> is very noticeable particularly at pedestrian crossings.

Well, as most pedestrian crossings have traffic lights to stop the traffic
(except for the few remaining Zebra crossings with orange beacons at the
sides), I think its a fair assumption that the cars will have stopped at the
red light - best to make sure though!


From: Iain on
"GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message
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> "Iain" <spam(a)smaps.net> wrote in message

>> I would disagree with that. There is a very strong tendency now for
>> pedestrians not to take the necessary care even when using crossings.
>> There is very little discipline, ie. the old-fashioned 'Stop, look and
>> listen'. People seem to assume that the traffic will stop for them. This
>> is very noticeable particularly at pedestrian crossings.
>
> Well, as most pedestrian crossings have traffic lights to stop the traffic
> (except for the few remaining Zebra crossings with orange beacons at the
> sides), I think its a fair assumption that the cars will have stopped at
> the red light - best to make sure though!

There are still a large number of zebra crossings in London - one almost
outside my door. It is not unusual to see someone walking up to the
kerb-edge and just walk straight onto the crossing; no pause to see if
there's an appropriate gap. I find that sometimes a couple of cars may go
by before one stops for me when I wait at the kerb. And a small waive of
acknowledgement or a mouthed 'Thanks' to the first car that stops does not
go amiss either. It certainly seems to be the younger age range (even
including school age) that do not bother to stop and at least pause.

Iain

From: Derek C on
On Jun 24, 5:52 pm, "mileburner" <milebur...(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
> Unless that is, the police now *only* rely on registration plates to enable
> them to nick villains.
>
> What next? Registration plates for everyone including pedestrians? Kids
> going to school? Blokes staggering home from the pub? Mobility scooters?
> Dogs?- Hide quoted text -
>

When I looked at that statement the first time, I thought you had
written 'Doug' rather than 'Dogs'. However, as Doug seems to be a bit
of a wobbly menace on his illegal electric bike, maybe he should be
registered, or certified!

From: The Medway Handyman on
Squashme wrote:
> On 24 June, 14:09, "GT" <a...(a)b.c> wrote:
>> "Squashme" <squas...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:01b4b8ad-d747-42d0-bad8-e28ecee2202e(a)s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 24 June, 11:31, Adrian <toomany2...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Squashme <squas...(a)gmail.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like
>>>> they were saying:
>>
>>>>>> news:88gmlfFrphU1(a)mid.individual.net...>http://
>>
>>>> www.thamesvalley.police.uk/newsevents/newsevents-pressreleases...
>>
>>>>>> People who do this kind of thing should be very severely
>>>>>> punished.
>>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/3242048/Zebra-crossing-road-deaths-
>>>>> treble.html
>>
>>>>> "Low fines, the reluctance of motorists to stop and, in some
>>>>> cases, lax design could be behind the rising death and injury
>>>>> toll, it is feared.
>>
>>>>> "We live in a society where everyone is in a rush and one where
>>>>> people see the chances of getting caught as minimal," said Andrew
>>>>> Howard, head of road safety at the AA."
>>
>>>> Yes, it's almost certainly the motorist's fault here...
>>
>>>> You cretin.
>>
>>> Just providing the usual necessary balance.
>>
>> Your 'necessary balance' also states, "The AA believes that around
>> 1,000 zebra crossings have vanished completely from the UK in recent
>> years". Did they vanish over night, or were they being used at the
>> time perhaps?
>
> The AA, that's Alcoholics Anonymous, isn't it? That explains it.
>
> Oh no, I forgot, it's Roadaholics Unanimous, isn't it? Still they have
> trouble seeing things too. Distracted by the bell, blinded by the sun,
> important incoming call ...

And they still only cause a statistically irrelevant number of fatalities..
Amazing innit.


--
Dave - intelligent enough to realise that a push bike is a kid's toy, not a
viable form of transport.