From: Matt B on
On 25/06/2010 01:07, Phil W Lee wrote:
> JNugent<jenningsltd(a)fastmail.fm> considered Thu, 24 Jun 2010 16:51:19
> +0100 the perfect time to write:
>
>> Adrian wrote:
>>>
>>> "a 66-year-old pedestrian was crossing the road at the pedestrian
>>> crossing"
>>
>> That's true, but there's no difference in legality between cycling along a
>> footway and failing to accord precedence to a pedestrian on a pedestrian
>> crossing.
>
> Surely that depends on the type of crossing and the state of the
> lights (if present).
> There don't appear to be any zebra crossings along there, and there
> was no allegation that the cyclist had jumped any lights.
>
> It wouldn't be the first time that a pedestrian had relied only on
> their hearing when stepping out into the road.

Do believe that it is acceptable to drive or cycle across a
light-controlled crossing, on green, in such a way that you would be
unable to avoid a pedestrian, old or young, should they walk out
(perfectly legally) when their light is on red?

--
Matt B
From: Brimstone on

"bod" <bodron57(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:88j1cvFrv1U1(a)mid.individual.net...
> mileburner wrote:

>> There is also a crossing patrol "lolipop man" locally who sees it as his
>> duty to dart into the road completely unannounced and present his "Stop"
>> sign. He does not wait for a gap in the traffic, he does not even wait
>> for there to be somone wanting to cross the road. Instead he will jump in
>> front of cars and ask the pedestrians on the pavement if they want to
>> cross. And they do not always want to.
>>
> Is his name Doug, by any chance?
>
Doug would never do anything so public spirited as becoming a "lollipop
man".


From: bod on
Brimstone wrote:
>
> "bod" <bodron57(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:88j1cvFrv1U1(a)mid.individual.net...
>> mileburner wrote:
>
>>> There is also a crossing patrol "lolipop man" locally who sees it as
>>> his duty to dart into the road completely unannounced and present his
>>> "Stop" sign. He does not wait for a gap in the traffic, he does not
>>> even wait for there to be somone wanting to cross the road. Instead
>>> he will jump in front of cars and ask the pedestrians on the pavement
>>> if they want to cross. And they do not always want to.
>>>
>> Is his name Doug, by any chance?
>>
> Doug would never do anything so public spirited as becoming a "lollipop
> man".
>
>

No, but he might do it out of spite, just to annoy motorists.

Bod
From: Derek C on
On Jun 25, 8:01 am, Matt B <matt.bou...(a)nospam.london.com> wrote:
> On 25/06/2010 01:07, Phil W Lee wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > JNugent<jennings...(a)fastmail.fm>  considered Thu, 24 Jun 2010 16:51:19
> > +0100 the perfect time to write:
>
> >> Adrian wrote:
>
> >>> "a 66-year-old pedestrian was crossing the road at the pedestrian
> >>> crossing"
>
> >> That's true, but there's no difference in legality between cycling along a
> >> footway and failing to accord precedence to a pedestrian on a pedestrian
> >> crossing.
>
> > Surely that depends on the type of crossing and the state of the
> > lights (if present).
> > There don't appear to be any zebra crossings along there, and there
> > was no allegation that the cyclist had jumped any lights.
>
> > It wouldn't be the first time that a pedestrian had relied only on
> > their hearing when stepping out into the road.
>
> Do believe that it is acceptable to drive or cycle across a
> light-controlled crossing, on green, in such a way that you would be
> unable to avoid a pedestrian, old or young, should they walk out
> (perfectly legally) when their light is on red?
>
Pedestrians should never step into the roadway without checking first
that it is safe to do so. I seem to remember that this was called the
Green Cross Code when I was at school. Otherwise they are committing
the offence of 'Jaywalking'. Pedestrians only have right of way at
light controlled crossings when their light is on green (but watch out
for RLJing cyclists).

Derek C

Derek C
From: Derek C on
On Jun 25, 8:01 am, Matt B <matt.bou...(a)nospam.london.com> wrote:
> On 25/06/2010 01:07, Phil W Lee wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > JNugent<jennings...(a)fastmail.fm>  considered Thu, 24 Jun 2010 16:51:19
> > +0100 the perfect time to write:
>
> >> Adrian wrote:
>
> >>> "a 66-year-old pedestrian was crossing the road at the pedestrian
> >>> crossing"
>
> >> That's true, but there's no difference in legality between cycling along a
> >> footway and failing to accord precedence to a pedestrian on a pedestrian
> >> crossing.
>
> > Surely that depends on the type of crossing and the state of the
> > lights (if present).
> > There don't appear to be any zebra crossings along there, and there
> > was no allegation that the cyclist had jumped any lights.
>
> > It wouldn't be the first time that a pedestrian had relied only on
> > their hearing when stepping out into the road.
>
> Do believe that it is acceptable to drive or cycle across a
> light-controlled crossing, on green, in such a way that you would be
> unable to avoid a pedestrian, old or young, should they walk out
> (perfectly legally) when their light is on red?
>
> --
Pedestrians should never step into the roadway without checking first
that it is safe to do so. I seem to remember that this was called the
Green Cross Code when I was at school. Otherwise they are committing
the offence of 'Jaywalking'. Pedestrians only have right of way at
light controlled crossings when their light is on green (but watch out
for RLJing cyclists).

Derek C