From: Speeders & Drunk Drivers Kill Kids on 11 Apr 2010 01:32
Charles Packer <mailbox(a)cpacker.org> wrote in news:aaaa1e33-a7b1-4bc7-8a16-
> My wife got a photo-generated ticket for not fully
> stopping before making a legal right turn on a red
> light. Has anybody else heard of the use of cameras
> to catch this kind of violation?
> Charles Packer
Ah yes - the infamous "rolling stop". Lots of people do that on icy
surfaces where you don't really have much choice.
From: Charles Packer on 11 Apr 2010 09:04
On Apr 10, 6:08 pm, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> turned legally. Once photographed a vehicle owner is at the mercy of the
> operator, if there is one to actually review it properly.
Exactly. Fairness is much more an issue with the
right-turn violation than it is with simple red light
running. In the latter, the camera doesn't lie: the
first picture shows your vehicle entering the intersection
when the traffic signal is already red. No point in fighting
With a right-turn violation, the pictures are ambiguous.
In my wife's citation the first of three pictures shows
her brake lights on, and she's behind the white line
at the intersection. There's no indication of what her
minimum speed was. The clock values of each image are
shown, but that's not enough to reveal what actually
happened. Did she slow down to 5 mph...or 0.01 mph? Plug in
an appropriate value for subsequent acceleration, and
you can explain her position two seconds later in the
final image under either scenario.
From: Brent on 11 Apr 2010 23:41
On 2010-04-11, Scott in SoCal <scottenaztlan(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> So here's how you fight it in court: go down to that same intersection
> with your video camera. Roll tape while your wife drives up, comes to
> a *complete* stop, and then makes a *legal* right turn on red. Make
> sure that the video camera records the flashes from the RLC.
> Also, since this will result in a second (bogus) citation for your
> wife, bring that along with you to court as well so the judge can
> dismiss both tickets at once.
HA! All that will get them is a second ticket to pay in more cases than
not. Plus the RLC camera's seem to get out of wack and then repaired
fairly frequently. I've noticed their behavior change over time.
From: gpsman on 12 Apr 2010 00:10
On Apr 11, 9:04 am, Charles Packer <mail...(a)cpacker.org> wrote:
> In my wife's citation the first of three pictures shows
> her brake lights on, and she's behind the white line
> at the intersection. There's no indication of what her
> minimum speed was.
I'd like to see those pictures.
Every RLC pic I have seen indicates a speed.
> The clock values of each image are
> shown, but that's not enough to reveal what actually
> happened. Did she slow down to 5 mph...or 0.01 mph?
I don't know, I'd sure like to see those pictures.
It is arguable that if you have pics, and want an honest opinion
instead of the blathering of those who haven't the brains to ask for
them, so they might evaluate the evidence, you post the pics.
> Plug in
> an appropriate value for subsequent acceleration,
> you can explain her position two seconds later in the
> final image under either scenario.
You can explain it. I'll subtract 2 seconds for the "stop".
From: Charles Packer on 12 Apr 2010 07:33
On Apr 12, 12:10 am, gpsman <gps...(a)driversmail.com> wrote:
> I'd like to see those pictures.
In the first pic, she isn't past the white line.
Why did the camera trigger at that time?