From: Charles Packer on
My wife got a photo-generated ticket for not fully
stopping before making a legal right turn on a red
light. Has anybody else heard of the use of cameras
to catch this kind of violation?

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From: Sir Ray on
On Apr 10, 9:01 am, Charles Packer <mail...(a)cpacker.org> wrote:
> My wife got a photo-generated ticket for not fully
> stopping before making a legal right turn on a red
> light. Has anybody else heard of the use of cameras
> to catch this kind of violation?

Not sure why you haven't heard of it before, but for those who
haven't, here's a start:

"In Los Angeles, officials estimate that 80% of red light camera
tickets go not to those running through intersections but to drivers
making rolling right turns, a Times review has found. As London
realized that day in court, her turn was illegal because she did not
completely stop before turning.

One of the most powerful selling points for photo enforcement systems,
which now monitor 175 intersections in Los Angeles County and hundreds
more across the United States, has been the promise of reducing
collisions caused by drivers barreling through red lights.

But it is the right-turn infraction -- a frequently misunderstood and
less pressing safety concern -- that drives tickets and revenue in the
nation's second-biggest city and at least half a dozen others across
the county"

From http://articles.latimes.com/2008/may/19/local/me-redlight19 -
google will turn up thousands more articles...
From: Brent on
On 2010-04-10, Charles Packer <mailbox(a)cpacker.org> wrote:
> My wife got a photo-generated ticket for not fully
> stopping before making a legal right turn on a red
> light. Has anybody else heard of the use of cameras
> to catch this kind of violation?

Most profitable form of RLC ticket. Once people caught on to the short
yellow scam they developed a system for ticketing right on red without a
complete stop. It is rather flawed and photographs people who have
turned legally. Once photographed a vehicle owner is at the mercy of the
operator, if there is one to actually review it properly.

The only recourse is to never turn right on red at an RLC intersection.
People have honked their horns and become annoyed. When they complain to
me they are complaining to the wrong person. I just point to the 'photo
enforced sign'.

Some videos of what I've seen:
http://blip.tv/file/3074925
http://blip.tv/file/3153551
http://blip.tv/file/3087752



From: Brent on
On 2010-04-10, Scott in SoCal <scottenaztlan(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> Last time on rec.autos.driving, Sir Ray <waterboi5000(a)hotmail.com>
> said:
>
>>Not sure why you haven't heard of it before, but for those who
>>haven't, here's a start:
>>
>>"In Los Angeles, officials estimate that 80% of red light camera
>>tickets go not to those running through intersections but to drivers
>>making rolling right turns, a Times review has found. As London
>>realized that day in court, her turn was illegal because she did not
>>completely stop before turning.
>>
>>But it is the right-turn infraction -- a frequently misunderstood and
>>less pressing safety concern -- that drives tickets and revenue in the
>>nation's second-biggest city and at least half a dozen others across
>>the county"
>
> To be honest, I'm OK with people getting tickets for these "California
> Stops" because they're not as innocuous as this article tries to
> suggest. Invariably the slow roll through the red light occurs
> directly in front of oncoming traffic, and the perpetrator makes
> absolutely no effort to accelerate and get out of the way. In other
> words, these turns generally fail the MFFY Litmus Test.
>
> The more tickets these MFFYs get, the better I like it.

This is different from them doing a full stop exactly how?

http://blip.tv/file/3323360/
http://blip.tv/file/657973



From: John David Galt on
On 2010-04-10 05:01, Charles Packer wrote:
> My wife got a photo-generated ticket for not fully
> stopping before making a legal right turn on a red
> light. Has anybody else heard of the use of cameras
> to catch this kind of violation?

That is the primary purpose of red-light cameras, and most tickets they issue
fit that description.

Of course the camera companies NEVER talk about this fact, at least not until
the cameras are already installed and taking in plenty of money.