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From: Daniel W. Rouse Jr. on 5 Jun 2010 00:24 "Harry K" <turnkey4099(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:d2b14639-37ff-4b13-8679-c22c3bcc5bd4(a)y18g2000prn.googlegroups.com... On Jun 4, 8:38 am, "bugo" <wat...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > "Harry K" <turnkey4...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:60898178-6808-4479-9666-c23d23187115(a)u3g2000prl.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > On Jun 4, 2:45 am, Honorable Mention <skycityret...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 4, 1:44 am, "Criminal Drivers Murder 40,000 Americans a Year" > > >> <xeton2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > On Jun 3, 9:09 pm, lil abner <@daisy.mae> wrote: > > >> > >http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politics-elections/pickup-drivers-mus... > > >> > Anyone who won't buckle up should put a sign on their car saying - > >> > "in > >> > event of crash, just let me die". The rest of us have to pay for the > >> > expense of treating you idiots who get in crashes. > > >> You say that as if people in seat belts are never, ever hurt in a > >> wreck, troll. > > > Try again. His sstatement is true. There is nothing in it at all > > about wearers not gettomg hurt. The chances of getting hurt are far > > higher for the non-wearers. That is one of the reasons why insurance > > rates are as high as they are. > > And accidents have happened where seat belts killed. Had they not been > wearing seat belts, they would have survived. Now I'm sure these accidents > are rare, but they do happen.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - And you know that they would have survived just how? The overall savings of life cannot be questioned. Seat belts save lives. We have all heard the idiotic (yours amongst them) arguments against. Did you forget the "what if I wind up in the water? * I have no issues with the fact that seatbelts help drivers stay in control in many collisions and save lives vs. if no seatbelt was worn, but I don't agree that "what if I wind up in the water?" is an idiotic argument. Being able to emergency release the seatbelt as quickly as possible as water (possibly cold and therefore also a hypothermia risk) may be rushing into the vehicle requires several assumptions, given the primary assumption that the driver is conscious and still fully able to move their entire body after the incident that landed the vehicle in the water: 1. That the release button will release the belt even if the locking tongue of the belt is being torque-locked against the locking piece that the button is supposed to release when pushed. (Especially if the vehicle landed upside down in the water.) 2. If one needs to cut the seatbelt due to the button not releasing the belt immediately, that they will have easy access to a belt cutting tool within arms reach, since the locking pawl of the seatbelt against the locking/ratcheting retractor will prevent any forward motion due to maintaining restraining tension on the belt.
From: Harry K on 5 Jun 2010 09:00 On Jun 4, 9:24 pm, "Daniel W. Rouse Jr." <dwrous...(a)nethere.comNOSPAM> wrote: > "Harry K" <turnkey4...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:d2b14639-37ff-4b13-8679-c22c3bcc5bd4(a)y18g2000prn.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 4, 8:38 am, "bugo" <wat...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "Harry K" <turnkey4...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:60898178-6808-4479-9666-c23d23187115(a)u3g2000prl.googlegroups.com... > > > > On Jun 4, 2:45 am, Honorable Mention <skycityret...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> On Jun 4, 1:44 am, "Criminal Drivers Murder 40,000 Americans a Year" > > > >> <xeton2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > >> > On Jun 3, 9:09 pm, lil abner <@daisy.mae> wrote: > > > >> > >http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politics-elections/pickup-drivers-mus... > > > >> > Anyone who won't buckle up should put a sign on their car saying - > > >> > "in > > >> > event of crash, just let me die". The rest of us have to pay for the > > >> > expense of treating you idiots who get in crashes. > > > >> You say that as if people in seat belts are never, ever hurt in a > > >> wreck, troll. > > > > Try again. His sstatement is true. There is nothing in it at all > > > about wearers not gettomg hurt. The chances of getting hurt are far > > > higher for the non-wearers. That is one of the reasons why insurance > > > rates are as high as they are. > > > And accidents have happened where seat belts killed. Had they not been > > wearing seat belts, they would have survived. Now I'm sure these accidents > > are rare, but they do happen.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > And you know that they would have survived just how? > > The overall savings of life cannot be questioned. Seat belts save > lives. We have all heard the idiotic (yours amongst them) arguments > against. Did you forget the "what if I wind up in the water? > > * I have no issues with the fact that seatbelts help drivers stay in control > in many collisions and save lives vs. if no seatbelt was worn, but I don't > agree that "what if I wind up in the water?" is an idiotic argument. Being > able to emergency release the seatbelt as quickly as possible as water > (possibly cold and therefore also a hypothermia risk) may be rushing into > the vehicle requires several assumptions, given the primary assumption that > the driver is conscious and still fully able to move their entire body after > the incident that landed the vehicle in the water: > > 1. That the release button will release the belt even if the locking tongue > of the belt is being torque-locked against the locking piece that the button > is supposed to release when pushed. (Especially if the vehicle landed upside > down in the water.) > 2. If one needs to cut the seatbelt due to the button not releasing the belt > immediately, that they will have easy access to a belt cutting tool within > arms reach, since the locking pawl of the seatbelt against the > locking/ratcheting retractor will prevent any forward motion due to > maintaining restraining tension on the belt.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Calculate the odds of winding up in the water to begin with and match that against the odds of getting into a serious accident not involving water. I suppose there may have been deaths caused by imersion in a belt but I can't recall ever reading about one. In any case the chances are so remote that that argument remains "idiotic" as a reason not to wear a belt. Harry K
From: ChrisCoaster on 5 Jun 2010 13:41
On Jun 3, 11:09 pm, lil abner <@daisy.mae> wrote: > http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politics-elections/pickup-drivers-mus... __________________ First of all, in which state(s) is a seatbelt not required to be worn in certain types of vehicle IE: p/u trucks? Here in CT seatbelts must be worn on everything except motorcycles and buses(though the latter may change). -CC |