Proposed LLB Fine in GA
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From: Brent on 15 Feb 2010 16:44 On 2010-02-15, Scott in SoCal <scottenaztlan(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Last time on rec.autos.driving, "Paul D. DeRocco" ><pderocco(a)ix.netcom.com> said: > >>> "Arif Khokar" <akhokar1234(a)wvu.edu> wrote >>> On 2/13/2010 11:31 PM, richard wrote: >>> >>>> According to this law, am I gonna get cited because I didn't give right >>>> of >>>> way to him? >>> >>> Apparently so. >>> >>>> That's the way I read it. >>>> >>>> It's not clear according to the article as to what exactly the conditions >>>> are. >>> >>> The conditions are that you're going slower than the driver behind you was >>> and you're not moving out of the passing lane to let him by. >> >>I think the law should specify that the slower car in the left lane may >>remain their as long as it's passing other cars with a certain minimum >>differential, say, 3mph. > > A nice idea, but impossible to enforce. > >>What irks me is when someone hogs the left lane >>driving the same speed, or perhaps 0.1mph faster, than the right lane, and >>it takes a couple of minutes for them to advance the necessary few >>carlengths to move over or create an opening for me to pass on the right. > > Truckers, especially Truckers in speed-governed rigs, are notorous for > this. One pair of Truckers played this little game for over 20 miles > on I-10 just south of Casa Grande. The PSL on this stretch is 75 MPH, > but these two jokers going 61.9999 MPH and 62.0001 MPH had created a > backup of cars stretching beyond the horizon. The roadblock finally > ended when one of the Truckers exited the freeway at the Flying J near > Eloy. Nobody passed on the shoulder? Or is that just an Illinois thing? I've probably related this story before... I was in indiana when two truckers were crawling side by side with a traffic jam from a lane closure up ahead. Guy in an SUV (with IL plates) decides he's had enough of that BS and starts to pass on the right shoulder. I'm in the right lane directly behind the trucker. The trucker moves over to the shoulder to block the SUV driver and the SUV driver goes into the grass. I see my opening (a wide open right lane in front of me) and take it. I pass the trucker. I think the SUV driver pulled in behind me or a couple cars behind me... the trucker further back. For the next several miles truckers are more irritating than usual.
From: CAHighway99 on 15 Feb 2010 20:00 On Feb 15, 8:20 am, Arif Khokar <akhokar1...(a)wvu.edu> wrote: > On 2/15/2010 3:00 AM, CAHighway99 wrote: > > > At the same time, if you feel a need to drive 95 or 100 MPH in a 65 > > zone, when it's clear that you're the only person driving that fast, > > you really need to consider changing your own driving behavior. > > Certainly, it won't hurt you to "slow down" to 75 or 80 MPH to let the > > person in front pass some vehicles. > > I recall one time years ago while I was driving on the interstate at 85 > mph and pulled out to pass a vehicle. I neglected to check behind me > before changing lanes and noticed that within 3 seconds that another car > was tailgating me. > > Instead of displaying a typical LLB attitude, I immediately realized > that I essentially cut him off and that *I* was in the wrong. What I > did next was floor it, finished my pass as fast as I could and moved > back to the right lane. The driver behind me passed me and continued on > his way (incidentally, I started following him and noted his speed was > about 110 mph). > > In any case, your scenario is not realistic given the fact that so few > vehicles go that much faster than traffic to begin with. Given that, > it's much simpler to just allow such a vehicle to pass rather than > thinking that he has to let other traffic pass first. > > > What's the rush, anyway? > > What difference does it make? Why do you choose to drive instead of > taking public transit, cycling, or walking? Why do you choose to fly > instead of taking the train or bus? What's your rush anyway? I didn't say *I* personally block off those who want to drive faster. My question is just a general one; it's not directed toward anybody in the newsgroup...I seriously do wonder sometimes what *does* go through the mindset of those who feel like if they're not driving 100 MPH, that they feel the need to drive aggressively, tailgate and drive as if they're escaping a nuclear war behind them, in order to get others to move out of their way...even if the drivers in front of them are already pushing 80+.
From: CAHighway99 on 15 Feb 2010 22:02 On Feb 15, 5:40 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Last time on rec.autos.driving, CAHighway99 <brentrjo...(a)aol.com> > said: > > > > > > >> In any case, your scenario is not realistic given the fact that so few > >> vehicles go that much faster than traffic to begin with. Given that, > >> it's much simpler to just allow such a vehicle to pass rather than > >> thinking that he has to let other traffic pass first. > > >> > What's the rush, anyway? > > >> What difference does it make? Why do you choose to drive instead of > >> taking public transit, cycling, or walking? Why do you choose to fly > >> instead of taking the train or bus? What's your rush anyway? > > >I seriously do wonder sometimes what *does* go through > >the mindset of those who feel like if they're not driving 100 MPH, > >that they feel the need to drive aggressively, tailgate and drive as > >if they're escaping a nuclear war behind them, in order to get others > >to move out of their way...even if the drivers in front of them are > >already pushing 80+. > > The point is it doesn't matter. I neither know nor care why someone > wants to go faster; it's not my job to judge whether their reason for > haste is sufficiently noble for me to allow them by. > > There's also an "enlightened self-interest" factor to consider: no > rational persno wants an angry road-rager riding their back bumper at > high speeds. If you block them, you remain in close proximity to an > increasingly agitated driver for as long as you choose have the nerve > (or until one of you snaps). If you just let them by, in a few seconds > they are gone from your life forever. > > For me it's a no-brainer. I will never block faster traffic if I can > help it. > -- > The MFFY Litmus Test: > If your maneuver forces another driver WHO HAS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY > to alter course or speed, what you did was probably MFFY. Same here. For me, a sense of "ownership" of the lane isn't in my best interests, nor does it matter to me if I'm the lead driver. As long as I can get to my destination in a safe manner, each and every single time.
From: Harry K on 16 Feb 2010 00:08 On Feb 15, 9:20 am, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On 2010-02-15, Harry K <turnkey4...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 14, 9:01 pm, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On 2010-02-15, Harry K <turnkey4...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >> > On Feb 14, 3:16 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> Last time on rec.autos.driving, richard <mem...(a)newsguy.com> said: > > >> >> >In regards to the law, a question. > >> >> >Speed limit is 70. Three lanes one way. > >> >> >I'm in the left lane at the speed limit passing vehicles in the other two > >> >> >lanes. > >> >> >I see some fool coming up behind me doing 75 or better. > >> >> >According to this law, am I gonna get cited because I didn't give right of > >> >> >way to him? > >> >> >That's the way I read it. > > >> >> You're the fool blocking faster traffic in the passing lane. You'll be > >> >> the one who is cited, and you will deserve it. > >> >> -- > >> >> The MFFY Litmus Test: > >> >> If your maneuver forces another driver WHO HAS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY > >> >> to alter course or speed, what you did was probably MFFY. > > >> > You do realize that you are advocating that someone _obeying_ the law > >> > and has the ROW must yeild that ROW. If a person is actively passing > >> > at a reasonable rate they _are_ obeying the law and have the ROW. > > >> > You keep trying to confuse a legal manuever with LLB - it isn't and > >> > never was. > > >> > Demanding that a guy speed up to suit you is more of an imposition > >> > than you having to lift your foot for a few seconds. > > >> > Odd way of looking at things that a person with the ROW has to give it > >> > away. > > >> The posted speed limit is irrelevant to the situation. It's usually > >> irrelevant to everything but to how much the armed highway men from the > >> government may collect. > > >> It's something government will never admit is that it created the > >> LLBing problem with it's speed limits.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Odd. I said nothing even remotly referring to the posted limit. It > > doesn't even apply in some states "when passing" > > This game again eh Harry. Read the quoted material. > On second thought, don't bother. It seems everything you write is in > total isolation.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - It seems you can't argue the point. Does a person passing legally (and at a reasonable rate) have the ROW? If you say no, then find a cop and ask him. Prepare to be laughed at. Still trying to understand how you got the speed limit in there. Harry K
From: Harry K on 16 Feb 2010 00:13
On Feb 15, 9:43 am, "Paul D. DeRocco" <pdero...(a)ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > "Arif Khokar" <akhokar1...(a)wvu.edu> wrote > > On 2/13/2010 11:31 PM, richard wrote: > > >> According to this law, am I gonna get cited because I didn't give right > >> of > >> way to him? > > > Apparently so. > > >> That's the way I read it. > > >> It's not clear according to the article as to what exactly the conditions > >> are. > > > The conditions are that you're going slower than the driver behind you was > > and you're not moving out of the passing lane to let him by. > > I think the law should specify that the slower car in the left lane may > remain their as long as it's passing other cars with a certain minimum > differential, say, 3mph. What irks me is when someone hogs the left lane > driving the same speed, or perhaps 0.1mph faster, than the right lane, and > it takes a couple of minutes for them to advance the necessary few > carlengths to move over or create an opening for me to pass on the right. > > -- > > Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco > Paul mailto:pdero...(a)ix.netcom.com- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - That would fit the LLB description and subject to a ticket. Harry K |