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From: AlanG on 10 Jun 2010 14:24 On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 18:03:52 +0100, Nick Finnigan <nix(a)genie.co.uk> wrote: >AlanG wrote: >> On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 20:12:03 +0100, Nick Finnigan <nix(a)genie.co.uk> >> wrote: >>> AlanG wrote: >>>> On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 17:31:02 +0100, Nick Finnigan <nix(a)genie.co.uk> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> However, there is no law against parking on pavements outside London. >>>> There is. >>> No there isn't. >> Yes there is > > No, there isn't. > >>>> It is called obstruction and the local plod use it a few >>> You can park on a pavement without obstructing. You can obstruct a road >>> by parking on the carriageway. >> >> So? >> The police will still issue a FPN in this area if you park on the >> footpath. > > As they should, but not on pavements. Where is 'this area'? And they do > >> Note the 'elsewhere' and the 'obstruct' > > And the lack of MUST NOT outside London. Still gives a right to ticket for obstruction > >>> There is no law against parking too close to the junction. >> >> Yes there is > > No, there isn't. > >> 242 You MUST NOT >> >> You MUST NOT leave your vehicle or trailer in a dangerous position or >> where it causes any unnecessary obstruction of the road. > > And that does not automatically include close to the junction. >The Lighting Regulations clarify that you may park there. You snipped the bit about 10 metres from the junction
From: Cynic on 10 Jun 2010 14:39 On 10 Jun 2010 17:06:48 GMT, Adrian <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>http://flightglobal.firstlightera.com/EN/Microsites/1/Swiss+Aviation >>>+Training/professional-airline-flight-simulators-for-real-world-training > >> Or not. I cannot see anything on that site that discusses the cost of a >> flight simulator. I cannot even find the cost they are hiring time on >> one without registering. > >Roll down to the bottom of that page. > >Prices start at CHF1175 for half an hour on an MD-80 sim, and rise to >CHF2100 for two hours on an A330 sim. That's �700 to �1300. OK - but hire cost does not say much about the capital cost of the simulator. There is no doubt a very limited amount of time per week that is spare, and that would simply be priced as high as the market allows. -- Cynic
From: Adrian on 10 Jun 2010 15:45 Cynic <cynic_999(a)yahoo.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>> Or not. I cannot see anything on that site that discusses the cost of >>> a flight simulator. I cannot even find the cost they are hiring time >>> on one without registering. >>Roll down to the bottom of that page. >> >>Prices start at CHF1175 for half an hour on an MD-80 sim, and rise to >>CHF2100 for two hours on an A330 sim. That's £700 to £1300. > OK - but hire cost does not say much about the capital cost of the > simulator. There is no doubt a very limited amount of time per week > that is spare, and that would simply be priced as high as the market > allows. So if they're profiteering so much, that sounds to me like a really good opportunity to buy a sim, hire an instructor, and undercut. You'd make a fortune. Go for it.
From: Nick Finnigan on 10 Jun 2010 15:58 AlanG wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 18:03:52 +0100, Nick Finnigan <nix(a)genie.co.uk> > wrote: > >> AlanG wrote: >>> On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 20:12:03 +0100, Nick Finnigan <nix(a)genie.co.uk> >>> wrote: >>> Note the 'elsewhere' and the 'obstruct' >> And the lack of MUST NOT outside London. > > Still gives a right to ticket for obstruction No. >>> >>> You MUST NOT leave your vehicle or trailer in a dangerous position or >>> where it causes any unnecessary obstruction of the road. >> And that does not automatically include close to the junction. >> The Lighting Regulations clarify that you may park there. > > You snipped the bit about 10 metres from the junction That was not in the MUST NOT. http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si1989/Uksi_19891796_en_4.htm#(Tiii)24requirementaboutusefrontrearpositionlamprearregistrationplatelampsidemarkerlampendoutlinemarkerlamp confirms that you can park within 10 metres of a junction, other than within a marked bay, provided that you have lights on at night.
From: Bob on 10 Jun 2010 16:54
"bod" <bodron57(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message news:879f01Fhe6U1(a)mid.individual.net... > Adrian wrote: >> Chris Hills <chaz(a)chaz6.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they >> were >> saying: >> >>>>> The aim of the cameras is to make people drive safely. >> >>>> Is it? I thought it was to make people drive at a legal speed. You're >>>> not confusing the two, are you? >> >>> The government calls them safety cameras. >> >> Is that a "Yes"? >> >>> Staying within the legal speed limit is one aspect of safe driving. >> >> Not necessarily - in either direction. >> >>>>> I would disagree that helping that aim by warning people to watch >>>>> their speed is obstructing justice. >> >>>> Deliberately standing so that the banner blocks the view of the camera >>>> certainly would be. >> >>> They would have to admit that the cameras are there for revenue raising, >>> then, since the van carries no warning about speed or any aspect of >>> driving safely. >> >> Why? > > > > > The copper was not exactly trying to encourage a safe road speed, but > waiting untill when they go 'over' the legal limit. Whereas, a sign > displaying "speed kills", is actively trying to reduce speeding. > Debatable about which achieves the best result. > > Bod Doesn't the possibility of getting caught by a speed camera encourage drivers to keep to the legal limit? Bob |