From: Rob on
Ret. wrote:
|| Rob wrote:
||| Ret. wrote:
|||||||
||||||| And doesn't actually getting caught by a speed camera encourage
||||||| those caught drivers to keep to the legal limit in future?
|||||||
|||||| The evidence says no.
|||||
||||| My experience is that it does - particularly when drivers have
||||| amassed enough points to be aware that another conviction will
||||| almost certainly result in a ban.
|||||
||||| I know two drivers who have been caught just once and who now
||||| take a lot more care in speed limit areas.
|||
||| 'Speed limit areas'?
|||
||| Sounds to me like you're saying they take more care not to be
||| caught.
||
|| No - I just mean that they now make sure that they keep within the
|| ACPO prosecution limits when motoring in speed limit areas.

Again, 'Speed limit areas'? - are there some public roads without limits?

|| The simple fact is that when you add the margin allowed by the
|| police on to the speedometer error that virtually all UK cars have,
|| you can comfortably exceed most speed limits without risking
|| prosecution. I regularly drive past speed cameras on NSL roads at an
|| indicated 70 mph and have never triggered one yet. The reason being
|| that the cameras are set to trigger at 10% + 2mph over the limit (or
|| even more) and so will not trigger below 68 mph. An indicated 70 mph
|| on my car is a true 65 mph.
||
|| Similarly I will regularly drive past 30 and 40 cameras at an
|| indicated 5 mph over those limits and have never ever received a
|| speeding ticket.

All you've described is how to exceed limits without getting caught!
You've provided no proof of your original claim, that getting caught
encourages people to '_keep to the legal limit_'

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Rob


From: Ret. on
Rob wrote:
> Ret. wrote:
>>> Rob wrote:
>>>> Ret. wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And doesn't actually getting caught by a speed camera encourage
>>>>>>>> those caught drivers to keep to the legal limit in future?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The evidence says no.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My experience is that it does - particularly when drivers have
>>>>>> amassed enough points to be aware that another conviction will
>>>>>> almost certainly result in a ban.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know two drivers who have been caught just once and who now
>>>>>> take a lot more care in speed limit areas.
>>>>
>>>> 'Speed limit areas'?
>>>>
>>>> Sounds to me like you're saying they take more care not to be
>>>> caught.
>>>
>>> No - I just mean that they now make sure that they keep within the
>>> ACPO prosecution limits when motoring in speed limit areas.
>
> Again, 'Speed limit areas'? - are there some public roads without
> limits?
>>> The simple fact is that when you add the margin allowed by the
>>> police on to the speedometer error that virtually all UK cars have,
>>> you can comfortably exceed most speed limits without risking
>>> prosecution. I regularly drive past speed cameras on NSL roads at an
>>> indicated 70 mph and have never triggered one yet. The reason being
>>> that the cameras are set to trigger at 10% + 2mph over the limit (or
>>> even more) and so will not trigger below 68 mph. An indicated 70 mph
>>> on my car is a true 65 mph.
>>>
>>> Similarly I will regularly drive past 30 and 40 cameras at an
>>> indicated 5 mph over those limits and have never ever received a
>>> speeding ticket.
>
> All you've described is how to exceed limits without getting caught!
> You've provided no proof of your original claim, that getting caught
> encourages people to '_keep to the legal limit_'

In most cases - driving at an indicated 35 mph or 45 mph means that you
*are* keeping to the legal limit.

--
Kev

From: boltar2003 on
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:38:26 +0100
"Rob" <rsvptorob-newsREMOVE(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>|| Would you care to give me some statistics on the number of members
>|| of the public who have been killed by police officers 'practicing
>|| their driving skills' (ie - not on emergency calls but still driving
>|| fast?)
>
>The statement was of 'risk' not of actual deaths.

Quite. However there have been an number of cases recently that have resulted
in deaths and if these are so called advanced drivers it must be a hell of a
lot of them taking risks.

B2003

From: Ret. on
boltar2003(a)boltar.world wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:38:26 +0100
> "Rob" <rsvptorob-newsREMOVE(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Would you care to give me some statistics on the number of members
>>>> of the public who have been killed by police officers 'practicing
>>>> their driving skills' (ie - not on emergency calls but still
>>>> driving fast?)
>>
>> The statement was of 'risk' not of actual deaths.
>
> Quite. However there have been an number of cases recently that have
> resulted in deaths and if these are so called advanced drivers it
> must be a hell of a lot of them taking risks.

There have been a number of cases recently that have resulted in deaths
where officers were merely practising their skills and not on emergency
calls? Would you like to cite these recent cases?

--
Kev

From: Cynic on
On 10 Jun 2010 19:45:58 GMT, Adrian <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>> OK - but hire cost does not say much about the capital cost of the
>> simulator. There is no doubt a very limited amount of time per week
>> that is spare, and that would simply be priced as high as the market
>> allows.

>So if they're profiteering so much, that sounds to me like a really good
>opportunity to buy a sim, hire an instructor, and undercut. You'd make a
>fortune. Go for it.

Find me a source that gives the price of a simulator (I could not find
one) and I'll see how the arithmetic works out.

For anyone with the capital to invest, I should think that it would
indeed be able to pay for itself over a reasonable number of years and
become profitable, though the cost of floorspace and instructor would
be additional to the cost to a police training school.

I note that several flying clubs have invested in simulators that are
realistic enough to provide worthwhile training to a student pilot,
and they find it worthwhile to sell simulator time at about 75% of the
cost of hiring a real aircraft.

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Cynic