Query on seatbelts
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From: John_H on 15 Jun 2010 01:11 Athol wrote: >John_H <john4721(a)inbox.com> wrote: > >> Wiki also credits Nils Bohlin with inventing the thee point seat belt, >> which I wouldn't dispute. That he didn't invent it until 1958 is what >> I'd doubt (unless whoever put them in the '56 Vanguard I owned was >> extremely clever at retrofits).... > >I'd take a rough guess and suggest that perhaps the 1958 invention >was the one belt combined lap and sash, as opposed to separate lap >and sash belts, which were still being fitted to US vehicles into >at least the late 1970s (with retractors). > >If the early belts were separately adjusted lap and sash static >belts, you'd have 2 separate adjustments, as opposed to the single >adjustment present in a combined belt. It's possible that the >Vanguard might have been designed for the separate belt arrangement >but been retro-fitted with the combined belts after they became >available. That would certainly be a logical explanation. I bought the car around 1965, by which time combined lap sash belts were relatively common but by no means universal. I'd always assumed the belts were original because the anchorage points so obviously were. Also very few cars were ever successfully retrofitted simply because the required anchorage points were absent. Most of the retrofits I've seen wouldn't have been effective if it came to the crunch. -- John H
From: John_H on 15 Jun 2010 01:59 F Murtz wrote: >D Walford wrote: >> On 15/06/2010 8:18 AM, John_H wrote: >>> >>> One of the cars I owned back in the days of my impoverished youth was >>> a 1956 Vanguard with factory fitted lap/sash belts front and rear >>> (possibly optional rather than the standard fitment). >> >> Is that the model with the rounded rear, same Grandfather had one of >> those, a green one and it also had seat belts. > >Commonly called humpty backs, had the same wet sleeve engine as triumph >TR sports car and some tractors. No they didn't. All they shared was the basic design, which included the use of wet sleeves. Almost no significant components were interchangeble between any of the three, including engine blocks and cylinder heads, with TR's having the least in common with the other two. The Fergie had the same displacement as Vanguards (2.088 litre) but the pistons were different. TR's didn't even share the same displacement... early models were 1.991 litre, TR4 was 2.138 litre. -- John H
From: George W Frost on 15 Jun 2010 02:04 "Athol" <athol_SPIT_SPAM(a)idl.net.au> wrote in message news:1276572478.487831(a)idlwebserver.idl.com.au... > John_H <john4721(a)inbox.com> wrote: > >> Wiki also credits Nils Bohlin with inventing the thee point seat belt, >> which I wouldn't dispute. That he didn't invent it until 1958 is what >> I'd doubt (unless whoever put them in the '56 Vanguard I owned was >> extremely clever at retrofits).... > > I'd take a rough guess and suggest that perhaps the 1958 invention > was the one belt combined lap and sash, as opposed to separate lap > and sash belts, which were still being fitted to US vehicles into > at least the late 1970s (with retractors). > > If the early belts were separately adjusted lap and sash static > belts, you'd have 2 separate adjustments, as opposed to the single > adjustment present in a combined belt. It's possible that the > Vanguard might have been designed for the separate belt arrangement > but been retro-fitted with the combined belts after they became > available. > > -- > Athol > <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 > I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. If memory assists me in any way, the first safety belt was a sash belt only for the driver and lap belt for passengers, then after that, tghey brought in the combined lap/sash belt
From: atec7 7 ""atec77" on 15 Jun 2010 02:13 F Murtz wrote: > D Walford wrote: >> On 15/06/2010 8:18 AM, John_H wrote: >>> D Walford wrote: >>>> >>>> I remember wearing a seatbelt when I was a very young child in the 50's >>>> in my Grandfathers car which was a 1929 Chev, he believed in seat belts >>>> way back then but I think he was rare. >>> >>> One of the cars I owned back in the days of my impoverished youth was >>> a 1956 Vanguard with factory fitted lap/sash belts front and rear >>> (possibly optional rather than the standard fitment). >> >> Is that the model with the rounded rear, same Grandfather had one of >> those, a green one and it also had seat belts. > > > > Commonly called humpty backs, had the same wet sleeve engine as triumph > TR sports car and some tractors. Was used very recently in the baby Morgan with good results , same with the gearbox . agricultural but hardy > > >> >> Every >>> subsequent car I've owned also had them. IIRC correctly wearing them >>> became compulsory around 1974, but only in cars that already had them >>> fitted. At that point I'd been wearing them for years (as would've >>> many others). >>> >>> AFAIK it's never been compulsory to fit aftermarket seatbelts (and >>> still isn't)... even passenger buses haven't had to have them at all >>> until relatively recent times. Which says heaps about the real intent >>> of the law IMHO! >>> >> I remember fitting aftermarket belts to a few cars, my first car was a >> 1962 Beetle which had no seat belts when I bought it but it did soon >> after. >> >> >> >> Daryl >
From: D Walford on 15 Jun 2010 02:47
On 15/06/2010 11:26 AM, John_H wrote: > D Walford wrote: >> On 15/06/2010 8:18 AM, John_H wrote: >>> D Walford wrote: >>>> >>>> I remember wearing a seatbelt when I was a very young child in the 50's >>>> in my Grandfathers car which was a 1929 Chev, he believed in seat belts >>>> way back then but I think he was rare. >>> >>> One of the cars I owned back in the days of my impoverished youth was >>> a 1956 Vanguard with factory fitted lap/sash belts front and rear >>> (possibly optional rather than the standard fitment). >> >> Is that the model with the rounded rear, same Grandfather had one of >> those, a green one and it also had seat belts. > > '56 was the first Phase III, the last of the Vanguard body shapes. My Grandfathers must have been either a Phase 1 or 1a. Daryl |