Query on seatbelts
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From: D Walford on 12 Jun 2010 11:08 On 12/06/2010 10:23 PM, Noddy wrote: > "Brad"<google1(a)vk2qq.com> wrote in message > news:e4a717b4-cfe3-4f1b-a9c8-871001b3d23d(a)k17g2000pro.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 12, 3:31 am, Oz...(a)Crackerbox-Palace.com wrote: > >> OzOne, head on over to Dave at AutoAvia and suggest same. you will >> receive a lecture about the lack of effectiveness of retracting >> seatbelts compared to correctly fitted fixed belts. The stretch in the >> retraction mechanism causes more movement on the body and greater >> injuries. > > Seat belt pre-tensioners take care of that. > > Occupant safety in cars is largely a compromise between protection and > convenience. Laws could be passed where all vehicles had to be fitted with > Nascar style roll cages and everyone riding in them had to wear a full face > helmet and a 5 point harness. Doing so would effect a *massive* reduction in > the road toll, It might reduce the road toll but there would be more crashes because harness's and helmets restrict your sideways movement and vision which is fine in a race car but not so good on the street. Daryl
From: George W Frost on 12 Jun 2010 19:31 "D Walford" <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message news:4c13a31b$0$28671$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > On 12/06/2010 10:23 PM, Noddy wrote: >> "Brad"<google1(a)vk2qq.com> wrote in message >> news:e4a717b4-cfe3-4f1b-a9c8-871001b3d23d(a)k17g2000pro.googlegroups.com... >> On Jun 12, 3:31 am, Oz...(a)Crackerbox-Palace.com wrote: >> >>> OzOne, head on over to Dave at AutoAvia and suggest same. you will >>> receive a lecture about the lack of effectiveness of retracting >>> seatbelts compared to correctly fitted fixed belts. The stretch in the >>> retraction mechanism causes more movement on the body and greater >>> injuries. >> >> Seat belt pre-tensioners take care of that. >> >> Occupant safety in cars is largely a compromise between protection and >> convenience. Laws could be passed where all vehicles had to be fitted >> with >> Nascar style roll cages and everyone riding in them had to wear a full >> face >> helmet and a 5 point harness. Doing so would effect a *massive* reduction >> in >> the road toll, > > It might reduce the road toll but there would be more crashes because > harness's and helmets restrict your sideways movement and vision which is > fine in a race car but not so good on the street. > > > > Daryl Very true, as in a race, everyone is going in the same direction
From: John_H on 12 Jun 2010 23:19 George W Frost wrote: >"John_H" <john4721(a)inbox.com> wrote in message >news:sc5816dhcor3l9o6mqtnnf7knq9vaveugt(a)4ax.com... >> >> FWIW I've always had far more trouble with the claustrophobic fuckers >> who insist on travelling with the window down than with non seatbelt >> wearers... perhaps it's the underarm. :) > >I almost always travel with the window down, >but, I guess that you would be talking more about passengers than a driver? It's applicable to both, but I'd expect the passenger(s) to conform with what the driver does. I almost always travel with the driver's window down and the a/c off in towns and cities. I almost never travel with the windows down in an air conditioned car on highway or rural roads, and especially when they're dirt... if only to keep the car interior clean (the flow through ventilation that's standard on modern cars needs the windows up to pressurise the cab). Yet I still come across a surprising number of passengers who'll insist on having their window down if they can get away with it. Plenty of drivers are also happy to choke in dust in preference to having the windows up. Not long ago I picked up a bloke who'd run out of fuel on a dirt road. Had to ask him to put on a seatbelt, which he did willingly, but as soon as the car started moving the fucker wound the window down. At that point he was offered the choice of winding it up or walking. He did comply, but only under sufferance, which isn't particularly unusual in my experience. -- John H
From: John_H on 12 Jun 2010 23:34 Athol wrote: >Noddy <me(a)home.com> wrote: > >> Personally, I'd like to see a return to the days where wearing seat belts >> wasn't compulsory. Not because I don't think they're an effective safety >> tool, as I do, and I also think their use should be compulsory for children >> 16 and under. I just think the choice to wear one or not should be left up >> to the individual adult. > >While I'd like to agree with you from a Darwininan selection >perspective, I have to disagree because of the social cost, in >particular the increased trauma's effect on emergency services, >in particular the increased cost of providing the services and the >reduction in availability for other emergencies. That's a socialist's argument! A fairer alternative might be to abolish socialised services in favour of user pays... which is precisely what some here were arguing for in the case of rescued yachties. Personally I don't give a stuff about the socialised services so long as conforming to the lowest common dominator (risk wise) isn't mandatory. :) -- John H
From: OzOne on 13 Jun 2010 00:12
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:56:45 +1000, Doug Jewell <ask(a)and.maybe.ill.tell.you> wrote: >D Walford wrote: >> On 12/06/2010 7:56 AM, Doug Jewell wrote: >>> OzOne(a)Crackerbox-Palace.com wrote: >>>> On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 21:15:22 +1000, "Milton" <millame23(a)yahoo.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> It's incredible the amount of serious injuries caused to persons in >>>>> an accident (especially head-ons) from wearing seatbelts. Whilst I >>>>> agree it's safer to still wear them than not, I believe it would be >>>>> safer if seatbelts were at least another inch wider. The amount of >>>>> pressure on the body points would be reduced substantially. There >>>>> have been cases where the belt has actually cut people to the point >>>>> that their stomach intestines have come through the cut. >>>>> >>>>> I just don't believe the current belts are wide enough to give safer >>>>> protection to the body. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> Milton >>>> >>>> Perfectly safe if worn properly. >>>> Operator error causes most injuries. >>> That's why racing cars all have lap-sash seat belts the same as fitted >>> to passenger vehicles. >> >> A racing harness may be better at restraining people in vehicles but >> they aren't very practical and in some circumstances could be considered >> dangerous in a road car. >> Mate used to have them in his road registered Clubman but took them out >> because you were strapped in so tight you couldn't move enough to allow >> you to see the traffic in certain circumstances. >You're 100% right of course, but if lap-sash belts were >"perfectly safe" as ozone claimed, they'd be good enough for >race cars as well. Oh here we go again!!! Better show where I said that a LAP SASH belt was perfectly safe! OzOne of the three twins I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace. |