From: OzOne on 13 Jun 2010 00:15
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 04:47:51 -0700 (PDT), Brad <google1(a)vk2qq.com>
>On Jun 12, 3:31�am, Oz...(a)Crackerbox-Palace.com wrote:
>> Perfectly safe if worn properly.
>> Operator error causes most injuries.
>> OzOne of the three twins
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>OzOne, head on over to Dave at AutoAvia and suggest same. you will
>receive a lecture about the lack of effectiveness of retracting
>seatbelts compared to correctly fitted fixed belts. The stretch in the
>retraction mechanism causes more movement on the body and greater
Like I said operator error.
Belts are required to be pulled firmly across the waist, seat needs to
be positioned correctly and upper mount adjusted (if adjustable) for
Unfortunately most people just click in...
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From: OzOne on 13 Jun 2010 00:19
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 22:23:28 +1000, "Noddy" <me(a)home.com> wrote:
>Personally, I'd like to see a return to the days where wearing seat belts
>wasn't compulsory. Not because I don't think they're an effective safety
>tool, as I do, and I also think their use should be compulsory for children
>16 and under. I just think the choice to wear one or not should be left up
>to the individual adult.
While you're at it, lets take away crash helmets for riders,
airbags,ABS,Stability control systems, demisters,and radial ply tyres.
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From: Scotty on 13 Jun 2010 02:26
"Athol" <athol_SPIT_SPAM(a)idl.net.au> wrote in message
: Scotty <scoter1(a)warmmail.com> wrote:
: > I'd like to see someone come up with H belts for all people in cars.
: > A difficult task Im sure but I know that when I used my rally car on
: > the street (With 4point Sabelts) I felt so much more in control.
: > Easy to do in 2 seaters but rather difficult in a 4 or more.
: Not really. A lot of seats are now made with the lap/sash seatbelt
: built into the seat frame. The 2-door range rover seats from the
: early '80s were one of the first that I'm aware of, and they were
: actually the same seat frame for both left and right, having the
: reel and sash guide anchorages on both sides of the frame. In
: theory, a retractable harness could be bolted directly into one of
: those seats just by having the holes in the trim on both sides. As
: the upper anchorage loads would be distributed between the two
: sides, there would be less stress on the hinge mechanisms than the
: single side loading of a lap/sash. The only real drawback with the
: rangie seats was that they didn't recline, just fold forward from a
: fixed back angle.
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Thats not a big drawback. I had some "Cobra" Style racing seats that were bloody comfortable but
steel framed so quite heavy (Replicas made by one of the car club blokes), with the harness and high
sided seats (you had to drop down into them) it was easy to corner really hard without flighting to
hold on to the steering wheel. Not very practical though and not easy to relax in for the
From: Toby on 13 Jun 2010 02:45
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 13:34:01 +1000, John_H wrote:
> Athol wrote:
>>Noddy <me(a)home.com> wrote:
>>> Personally, I'd like to see a return to the days where wearing seat belts
>>> wasn't compulsory. Not because I don't think they're an effective safety
>>> tool, as I do, and I also think their use should be compulsory for children
>>> 16 and under. I just think the choice to wear one or not should be left up
>>> to the individual adult.
>>While I'd like to agree with you from a Darwininan selection
>>perspective, I have to disagree because of the social cost, in
>>particular the increased trauma's effect on emergency services,
>>in particular the increased cost of providing the services and the
>>reduction in availability for other emergencies.
> That's a socialist's argument! A fairer alternative might be to
> abolish socialised services in favour of user pays... which is
> precisely what some here were arguing for in the case of rescued
> Personally I don't give a stuff about the socialised services so long
> as conforming to the lowest common dominator (risk wise) isn't
> mandatory. :)
Unfortunately, you've just defined what it means.
From: jonz on 13 Jun 2010 03:48
On 6/13/2010 2:12 PM, OzOne(a)Crackerbox-Palace.com wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:56:45 +1000, Doug Jewell
> <ask(a)and.maybe.ill.tell.you> wrote:
>> D Walford wrote:
>>> On 12/06/2010 7:56 AM, Doug Jewell wrote:
>>>> OzOne(a)Crackerbox-Palace.com wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 21:15:22 +1000, "Milton"<millame23(a)yahoo.com>
>>>>>> It's incredible the amount of serious injuries caused to persons in
>>>>>> an accident (especially head-ons) from wearing seatbelts. Whilst I
>>>>>> agree it's safer to still wear them than not, I believe it would be
>>>>>> safer if seatbelts were at least another inch wider. The amount of
>>>>>> pressure on the body points would be reduced substantially. There
>>>>>> have been cases where the belt has actually cut people to the point
>>>>>> that their stomach intestines have come through the cut.
>>>>>> I just don't believe the current belts are wide enough to give safer
>>>>>> protection to the body.
>>>>> Perfectly safe if worn properly.
>>>>> Operator error causes most injuries.
>>>> That's why racing cars all have lap-sash seat belts the same as fitted
>>>> to passenger vehicles.
>>> A racing harness may be better at restraining people in vehicles but
>>> they aren't very practical and in some circumstances could be considered
>>> dangerous in a road car.
>>> Mate used to have them in his road registered Clubman but took them out
>>> because you were strapped in so tight you couldn't move enough to allow
>>> you to see the traffic in certain circumstances.
>> You're 100% right of course, but if lap-sash belts were
>> "perfectly safe" as ozone claimed, they'd be good enough for
>> race cars as well.
> Oh here we go again!!!
> Better show where I said that a LAP SASH belt was perfectly safe!
right here :-
Perfectly safe if worn properly.
Operator error causes most injuries.
> OzOne of the three twins
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