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From: Brent on 14 May 2010 22:26
On 2010-05-15, Paul Hovnanian P.E. <Paul(a)Hovnanian.com> wrote:

> And many incidents aren't the car being stolen, but someone breaking in
> to grab the contents. The alarm is intended to attract attention. So
> when the cops show up, there's a chance that here will be witnesss.

You're kidding right? Witnesses? Stick around? Pay attention to a car
alarm?

From: Brent on 15 May 2010 15:06
On 2010-05-15, Scott in SoCal <scottenaztlan(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> Last time on rec.autos.driving, Brent
><tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> said:
>
>>I would think it's for people who live in neighborhoods where spanish is
>>spoken more than english.
>
> And BTW, what makes the designers of that alarm think that most car
> thieves come from the owner's own neighborhood?
>
> The whole premise is ridiculous.

Unless it's a team, most car thieves are on foot. Ever watch bait car
video footage? So yes, they will often be from somewhere close or arrived
via the transit system. Plus they'll want to stick to areas where they
blend in regardless.





From: Brent on 15 May 2010 18:18
On 2010-05-15, Scott in SoCal <scottenaztlan(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> Last time on rec.autos.driving, Brent
><tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> said:
>
>>On 2010-05-15, Scott in SoCal <scottenaztlan(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Last time on rec.autos.driving, Brent
>>><tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> said:
>>>
>>>>I would think it's for people who live in neighborhoods where spanish is
>>>>spoken more than english.
>>>
>>> And BTW, what makes the designers of that alarm think that most car
>>> thieves come from the owner's own neighborhood?
>>>
>>> The whole premise is ridiculous.
>>
>>Unless it's a team, most car thieves are on foot.
>
> I don't know that that's true. Where are your statistics?

Why would I need statistics for the simple fact that one person can't
drive two cars at the same time?

> In most of the incidents I've heard about are like the one described
> earlier in this thread: the thieves arrive by car. A car is handy not
> only for finding victims but for getting away quickly if the owner
> comes running out with a baseball bat.

That would be a 'team'. I spoke of when it WAS NOT. Read again.


From: Brent on 16 May 2010 03:53
On 2010-05-16, Scott in SoCal <scottenaztlan(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> Last time on rec.autos.driving, Brent
><tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> said:
>
>>On 2010-05-15, Scott in SoCal <scottenaztlan(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Last time on rec.autos.driving, Brent
>>><tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> said:
>>>
>>>>On 2010-05-15, Scott in SoCal <scottenaztlan(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> Last time on rec.autos.driving, Brent
>>>>><tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> said:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I would think it's for people who live in neighborhoods where spanish is
>>>>>>spoken more than english.
>>>>>
>>>>> And BTW, what makes the designers of that alarm think that most car
>>>>> thieves come from the owner's own neighborhood?
>>>>>
>>>>> The whole premise is ridiculous.
>>>>
>>>>Unless it's a team, most car thieves are on foot.
>>>
>>> I don't know that that's true. Where are your statistics?
>>
>>Why would I need statistics for the simple fact that one person can't
>>drive two cars at the same time?

> You were clearly implying that most car thieves operate on foot in
> order to back up your earlier claim that most car thieves steal cars
> in their own neighborhoods.

Read the sentence again. Try not to listen to the voices in Aiden's
head. You become more like him as time goes by.

> Once again, I ask you to back up your claims.

You mean back up the claim you made for me, very Aiden like of you.

> Offhand, the idea of a car thief stealing cars from his own
> neighborhood seems completely ridiculous. If I walk down the block and
> steal a car, where am I going to take it? Back to my house? If I
> instead take the car to a chop shop somewhere far away, how will I get
> back home? It seems reasonable to assume that most car thieves operate
> as part of a team. However, if you have proof to the contrary, I'm all
> ears.

Right, never any joy riding teenagers or cash in hand for a taxi after
selling the car to the chop shop or the guy who puts in a container for
overseas travel. Never happens... cops put bait cars in certain
neighborhoods totally by random happenstance and the people walking by
who take the bait live in neighborhoods 10s of miles away...




From: Brent on 17 May 2010 10:53
On 2010-05-17, Scott in SoCal <scottenaztlan(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> Last time on rec.autos.driving, Brent
><tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> said:
>
>>>>>>> And BTW, what makes the designers of that alarm think that most car
>>>>>>> thieves come from the owner's own neighborhood?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Unless it's a team, most car thieves are on foot.
>>
>>> You were clearly implying that most car thieves operate on foot in
>>> order to back up your earlier claim that most car thieves steal cars
>>> in their own neighborhoods.
>>
>>Read the sentence again. Try not to listen to the voices in Aiden's
>>head. You become more like him as time goes by.

> If my interpretation is incorrect, then you posted a complete
> non-sequitur. On purpose.

It would appear that way after you snipped that out of the rest of what
I wrote.

What you don't seem to understand that is that the majority of thieves
are lazy and dumb. Outside of any sort of organized theft ring you have
people acting alone to steal cars for their own short term
transportation needs and to sell cheap so they can score some crack.

For instance, the morons who tried to steal the then 15 year old
oldsmobile I ended up needing to put two steering columns in because of
their handywork. It's not that the parts were valuable as junkyards had
a wide selection of them at the time. However steering columns were hard
to come by. Nearly every one had a smashed steering column or someone
had already purchased it.

If car thieves and thieves in general weren't lazy and stupid and went
for what was close by there wouldn't be 'bad neighborhoods'.
Insurance rates for cars by zip code wouldn't work. Instead of stealing
a car nearby they'd drive out to the rich neighborhoods and steal cars
there. The places where people lived with the most valuable stuff would
be where most theft happened. That is if thieves followed your model of
intelligent theft and worked outside their immediate area.

> And with that, another thread disappears into the Blennie Votrex...

Trying reading an entire post before responding. It helps to eliminate
going off on some small portion and having the voices in your head fill
in the blanks. It's slower and requires more effort but in the end an
entire thread branch is spared.

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