From: Ret. on
Conor wrote:
> On 17/03/2010 17:08, Ret. wrote:
>
>> Sorry Conor, you cannot escape from the simple fact that the human
>> brain is useless at multi-tasking:
>>
> Can you tie a shoelace whilst holding a conversation?
>
> Yes.
>
>
>> So Nass and his colleagues, Eyal Ophir and Anthony Wagner, set out to
>> learn what gives multitaskers their edge. What is their gift?
>>
>> "We kept looking for what they're better at, and we didn't find it,"
>> said Ophir, the study's lead author and a researcher in Stanford's
>> Communication Between Humans and Interactive Media Lab.
>
> Here's a clue: They can do one of the tasks so well and have done it
> for so long that it requires little attention to complete.

So you honestly and genuinely believe that you can drive along on
auto-pilot, giving your driving little attention - and still do it safely?

I have been driving for 46 years and was a Grade 1 Advanced police driver. I
would never ever claim to be able to drive safely on auto-pilot whilst
giving my driving little attention.

That is a stupid claim.

Kev

>
>
>> June 07, 2004
>> Brains Can Not Process Two Tasks In Parallel
>> Faced with two tasks to do at once the brain appears to switch back
>> and forth between them rather than thinking about them in parallel.
>>
>
> Agreed. See above.
>
>
>> In other words - when the brain is concentrating on auditory input
>> (mobile phone conversation), the ability to respond to visual
>> stimulus (something happening in the road ahead), is impaired.
>>
>
> Only to you.

No. Not only to *me* - to everyone Conor - because unless you have an
abnormal brain, you are governed by the same biological limitations as
everyone else is. Do a google on human brain and multi-tasking - you will
find masses of research that contradicts your claims.

I seem to have little problem doing it. For example, take
> amateur radio. Whilst operating and having a conversation, I'm on the
> laptop filling in a log and finding out about the person I'm talking
> with.

But you are doing neither as efficiently as you would if you were doing them
independently. You have snipped much of the research that I pasted that
demonstrates that very clearly.

Kev

From: Ian Jackson on
In message <hnr53p$e8r$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Conor
<conor(a)gmx.co.uk> writes
>On 17/03/2010 17:08, Ret. wrote:
>
>> Sorry Conor, you cannot escape from the simple fact that the human brain
>> is useless at multi-tasking:
>>
>Can you tie a shoelace whilst holding a conversation?
>
>Yes.
>
>
>> So Nass and his colleagues, Eyal Ophir and Anthony Wagner, set out to
>> learn what gives multitaskers their edge. What is their gift?
>>
>> "We kept looking for what they're better at, and we didn't find it,"
>> said Ophir, the study's lead author and a researcher in Stanford's
>> Communication Between Humans and Interactive Media Lab.
>
>Here's a clue: They can do one of the tasks so well and have done it
>for so long that it requires little attention to complete.
>
>
>> June 07, 2004
>> Brains Can Not Process Two Tasks In Parallel
>> Faced with two tasks to do at once the brain appears to switch back and
>> forth between them rather than thinking about them in parallel.
>>
>
>Agreed. See above.
>
>
>> In other words - when the brain is concentrating on auditory input
>> (mobile phone conversation), the ability to respond to visual stimulus
>> (something happening in the road ahead), is impaired.
>>
>
>Only to you. I seem to have little problem doing it. For example, take
>amateur radio. Whilst operating and having a conversation, I'm on the
>laptop filling in a log and finding out about the person I'm talking
>with.
>
But, hopefully, you are not driving too.
[Please tell me you're not!]
--
Ian
From: NM on
On 17 Mar, 19:17, Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjack...(a)g3ohx.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
> In message <80cj2eFjia...(a)mid.individual.net>, Adrian
> <toomany2...(a)gmail.com> writes
>
> >Bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
> >saying:
>
> >>   I understand that. But I thought it was only the driver with the blue
> >> badge that was entitled to park in these bays and not any other driver?
>
> >The badge is to provide some degree of compensation for the holder's lack
> >of mobility.
>
> >It enables the driver to park in a place that places fewer barriers in
> >the way of the holder getting to their destination.
>
> >No more, no less.
>
> I understand that you don't need to be able to drive to get a blue
> badge. The driver can be anyone driving for the benefit of the disabled
> driver. However, as has been explained, this should only be used to
> allow a disabled person (who may not the driver) to get nearer to the
> shops.
> --
> Ian

Why not? as long as the badge holder is in the car it can be used for
whatever purpose the badgeholder wishes.
From: Ret. on
Ret. wrote:
> Conor wrote:
>> On 17/03/2010 17:08, Ret. wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry Conor, you cannot escape from the simple fact that the human
>>> brain is useless at multi-tasking:
>>>
>> Can you tie a shoelace whilst holding a conversation?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>
>>> So Nass and his colleagues, Eyal Ophir and Anthony Wagner, set out
>>> to learn what gives multitaskers their edge. What is their gift?
>>>
>>> "We kept looking for what they're better at, and we didn't find it,"
>>> said Ophir, the study's lead author and a researcher in Stanford's
>>> Communication Between Humans and Interactive Media Lab.
>>
>> Here's a clue: They can do one of the tasks so well and have done it
>> for so long that it requires little attention to complete.
>>
>>
>>> June 07, 2004
>>> Brains Can Not Process Two Tasks In Parallel
>>> Faced with two tasks to do at once the brain appears to switch back
>>> and forth between them rather than thinking about them in parallel.
>>>
>>
>> Agreed. See above.
>>
>>
>>> In other words - when the brain is concentrating on auditory input
>>> (mobile phone conversation), the ability to respond to visual
>>> stimulus (something happening in the road ahead), is impaired.
>>>
>>
>> Only to you. I seem to have little problem doing it. For example,
>> take amateur radio. Whilst operating and having a conversation, I'm
>> on the laptop filling in a log and finding out about the person I'm
>> talking with.
>
> OK, we'll just have to accept that you are Superman - or just
> abnormal. Perhaps like Steve Martin - The Man with Two Brains?
>
> Have a go at this:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/07/19/technology/20090719-driving-game.html
>
> And then tell us honestly how you got on...



I take it that you didn't get on very well...

Kev

From: Rob on
Ret. wrote:
|| Ret. wrote:
||| Conor wrote:
|||| On 17/03/2010 17:08, Ret. wrote:
||||
||||| Sorry Conor, you cannot escape from the simple fact that the human
||||| brain is useless at multi-tasking:
|||||
|||| Can you tie a shoelace whilst holding a conversation?
||||
|||| Yes.
||||
||||
||||| So Nass and his colleagues, Eyal Ophir and Anthony Wagner, set out
||||| to learn what gives multitaskers their edge. What is their gift?
|||||
||||| "We kept looking for what they're better at, and we didn't find
||||| it," said Ophir, the study's lead author and a researcher in
||||| Stanford's Communication Between Humans and Interactive Media Lab.
||||
|||| Here's a clue: They can do one of the tasks so well and have done
|||| it for so long that it requires little attention to complete.
||||
||||
||||| June 07, 2004
||||| Brains Can Not Process Two Tasks In Parallel
||||| Faced with two tasks to do at once the brain appears to switch
||||| back and forth between them rather than thinking about them in
||||| parallel.
|||||
||||
|||| Agreed. See above.
||||
||||
||||| In other words - when the brain is concentrating on auditory input
||||| (mobile phone conversation), the ability to respond to visual
||||| stimulus (something happening in the road ahead), is impaired.
|||||
||||
|||| Only to you. I seem to have little problem doing it. For example,
|||| take amateur radio. Whilst operating and having a conversation, I'm
|||| on the laptop filling in a log and finding out about the person I'm
|||| talking with.
|||
||| OK, we'll just have to accept that you are Superman - or just
||| abnormal. Perhaps like Steve Martin - The Man with Two Brains?
|||
||| Have a go at this:
|||
|||
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/07/19/technology/20090719-driving-game.html
|||
||| And then tell us honestly how you got on...
||
||
||
|| I take it that you didn't get on very well...

It's a completely worthless exercise since it bears no resemblance to any
real world situation. In the context of this thread it proves nothing - I
can't get through all the gates regardless of the presence of a phone!

--
Rob