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From: Ret. on 17 Mar 2010 15:17 Conor wrote: > On 17/03/2010 17:08, Ret. wrote: > >> Sorry Conor, you cannot escape from the simple fact that the human >> brain is useless at multi-tasking: >> > Can you tie a shoelace whilst holding a conversation? > > Yes. > > >> So Nass and his colleagues, Eyal Ophir and Anthony Wagner, set out to >> learn what gives multitaskers their edge. What is their gift? >> >> "We kept looking for what they're better at, and we didn't find it," >> said Ophir, the study's lead author and a researcher in Stanford's >> Communication Between Humans and Interactive Media Lab. > > Here's a clue: They can do one of the tasks so well and have done it > for so long that it requires little attention to complete. So you honestly and genuinely believe that you can drive along on auto-pilot, giving your driving little attention - and still do it safely? I have been driving for 46 years and was a Grade 1 Advanced police driver. I would never ever claim to be able to drive safely on auto-pilot whilst giving my driving little attention. That is a stupid claim. Kev > > >> June 07, 2004 >> Brains Can Not Process Two Tasks In Parallel >> Faced with two tasks to do at once the brain appears to switch back >> and forth between them rather than thinking about them in parallel. >> > > Agreed. See above. > > >> In other words - when the brain is concentrating on auditory input >> (mobile phone conversation), the ability to respond to visual >> stimulus (something happening in the road ahead), is impaired. >> > > Only to you. No. Not only to *me* - to everyone Conor - because unless you have an abnormal brain, you are governed by the same biological limitations as everyone else is. Do a google on human brain and multi-tasking - you will find masses of research that contradicts your claims. I seem to have little problem doing it. For example, take > amateur radio. Whilst operating and having a conversation, I'm on the > laptop filling in a log and finding out about the person I'm talking > with. But you are doing neither as efficiently as you would if you were doing them independently. You have snipped much of the research that I pasted that demonstrates that very clearly. Kev
From: Ian Jackson on 17 Mar 2010 15:24 In message <hnr53p$e8r$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Conor <conor(a)gmx.co.uk> writes >On 17/03/2010 17:08, Ret. wrote: > >> Sorry Conor, you cannot escape from the simple fact that the human brain >> is useless at multi-tasking: >> >Can you tie a shoelace whilst holding a conversation? > >Yes. > > >> So Nass and his colleagues, Eyal Ophir and Anthony Wagner, set out to >> learn what gives multitaskers their edge. What is their gift? >> >> "We kept looking for what they're better at, and we didn't find it," >> said Ophir, the study's lead author and a researcher in Stanford's >> Communication Between Humans and Interactive Media Lab. > >Here's a clue: They can do one of the tasks so well and have done it >for so long that it requires little attention to complete. > > >> June 07, 2004 >> Brains Can Not Process Two Tasks In Parallel >> Faced with two tasks to do at once the brain appears to switch back and >> forth between them rather than thinking about them in parallel. >> > >Agreed. See above. > > >> In other words - when the brain is concentrating on auditory input >> (mobile phone conversation), the ability to respond to visual stimulus >> (something happening in the road ahead), is impaired. >> > >Only to you. I seem to have little problem doing it. For example, take >amateur radio. Whilst operating and having a conversation, I'm on the >laptop filling in a log and finding out about the person I'm talking >with. > But, hopefully, you are not driving too. [Please tell me you're not!] -- Ian
From: NM on 18 Mar 2010 02:11 On 17 Mar, 19:17, Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjack...(a)g3ohx.demon.co.uk> wrote: > In message <80cj2eFjia...(a)mid.individual.net>, Adrian > <toomany2...(a)gmail.com> writes > > >Bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were > >saying: > > >> I understand that. But I thought it was only the driver with the blue > >> badge that was entitled to park in these bays and not any other driver? > > >The badge is to provide some degree of compensation for the holder's lack > >of mobility. > > >It enables the driver to park in a place that places fewer barriers in > >the way of the holder getting to their destination. > > >No more, no less. > > I understand that you don't need to be able to drive to get a blue > badge. The driver can be anyone driving for the benefit of the disabled > driver. However, as has been explained, this should only be used to > allow a disabled person (who may not the driver) to get nearer to the > shops. > -- > Ian Why not? as long as the badge holder is in the car it can be used for whatever purpose the badgeholder wishes.
From: Ret. on 18 Mar 2010 04:04 Ret. wrote: > Conor wrote: >> On 17/03/2010 17:08, Ret. wrote: >> >>> Sorry Conor, you cannot escape from the simple fact that the human >>> brain is useless at multi-tasking: >>> >> Can you tie a shoelace whilst holding a conversation? >> >> Yes. >> >> >>> So Nass and his colleagues, Eyal Ophir and Anthony Wagner, set out >>> to learn what gives multitaskers their edge. What is their gift? >>> >>> "We kept looking for what they're better at, and we didn't find it," >>> said Ophir, the study's lead author and a researcher in Stanford's >>> Communication Between Humans and Interactive Media Lab. >> >> Here's a clue: They can do one of the tasks so well and have done it >> for so long that it requires little attention to complete. >> >> >>> June 07, 2004 >>> Brains Can Not Process Two Tasks In Parallel >>> Faced with two tasks to do at once the brain appears to switch back >>> and forth between them rather than thinking about them in parallel. >>> >> >> Agreed. See above. >> >> >>> In other words - when the brain is concentrating on auditory input >>> (mobile phone conversation), the ability to respond to visual >>> stimulus (something happening in the road ahead), is impaired. >>> >> >> Only to you. I seem to have little problem doing it. For example, >> take amateur radio. Whilst operating and having a conversation, I'm >> on the laptop filling in a log and finding out about the person I'm >> talking with. > > OK, we'll just have to accept that you are Superman - or just > abnormal. Perhaps like Steve Martin - The Man with Two Brains? > > Have a go at this: > > http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/07/19/technology/20090719-driving-game.html > > And then tell us honestly how you got on... I take it that you didn't get on very well... Kev
From: Rob on 18 Mar 2010 07:09
Ret. wrote: || Ret. wrote: ||| Conor wrote: |||| On 17/03/2010 17:08, Ret. wrote: |||| ||||| Sorry Conor, you cannot escape from the simple fact that the human ||||| brain is useless at multi-tasking: ||||| |||| Can you tie a shoelace whilst holding a conversation? |||| |||| Yes. |||| |||| ||||| So Nass and his colleagues, Eyal Ophir and Anthony Wagner, set out ||||| to learn what gives multitaskers their edge. What is their gift? ||||| ||||| "We kept looking for what they're better at, and we didn't find ||||| it," said Ophir, the study's lead author and a researcher in ||||| Stanford's Communication Between Humans and Interactive Media Lab. |||| |||| Here's a clue: They can do one of the tasks so well and have done |||| it for so long that it requires little attention to complete. |||| |||| ||||| June 07, 2004 ||||| Brains Can Not Process Two Tasks In Parallel ||||| Faced with two tasks to do at once the brain appears to switch ||||| back and forth between them rather than thinking about them in ||||| parallel. ||||| |||| |||| Agreed. See above. |||| |||| ||||| In other words - when the brain is concentrating on auditory input ||||| (mobile phone conversation), the ability to respond to visual ||||| stimulus (something happening in the road ahead), is impaired. ||||| |||| |||| Only to you. I seem to have little problem doing it. For example, |||| take amateur radio. Whilst operating and having a conversation, I'm |||| on the laptop filling in a log and finding out about the person I'm |||| talking with. ||| ||| OK, we'll just have to accept that you are Superman - or just ||| abnormal. Perhaps like Steve Martin - The Man with Two Brains? ||| ||| Have a go at this: ||| ||| http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/07/19/technology/20090719-driving-game.html ||| ||| And then tell us honestly how you got on... || || || || I take it that you didn't get on very well... It's a completely worthless exercise since it bears no resemblance to any real world situation. In the context of this thread it proves nothing - I can't get through all the gates regardless of the presence of a phone! -- Rob |