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From: Ret. on 23 Mar 2010 07:09
> On 22/03/2010 12:06, Ret. wrote:
>> The cause of collisions will be recorded *if* they are known, and
>> *if* the police attend.
> Why are the figures a record low year on year?
My argument would be that UK roads are becoming so congested that traffic is
moving slower and slower, and overtaking, one of the riskiest of manoeuvres,
is almost impossible on many roads today because the quantity of opposing
>> If, however, numerous pieces of research demonstrate that drivers
>> using a mobile phone have reduced hazard perception, and delayed
>> response to situations requiring a response, surely it makes sense
>> to take action to deal with that?
> But you claimed it was lower than DD? The statistics disagree.
I haven't claimed anything - I've merely linked to research that shows that.
> There were no mobile phones in 1926. There are fewer KSI than there
> were in 1926. Explain.
See above. Vast improvement in car design and crash protection. Vast
increase in traffic congestion. Introduction of speed cameras that has
definitely reduced serious speeding.
From: Ret. on 23 Mar 2010 07:10
> On 21/03/2010 12:45, Ret. wrote:
>> So do you dismiss the findings of the mass of research that
>> demonstrates the dangers?
> Like the research that:
> Said the Himalayan Glaciers were shrinking when they weren't.
> Said that the Amazon rain forest would disappear in a drought yet the
> levels of greenery were the same in dry years as wet.
> ...and I can go on and on and on....
I'm sure that you can...
From: Ret. on 23 Mar 2010 07:11
> On 22/03/2010 16:09, Ret. wrote:
>> A simulator 'route' would have a number of 'hazards' introduced, as
>> well as other traffic to deal with. In assessing performance a
>> driver would be judged on his hazard perception - how quickly he
>> noticed upcoming potentially dangerous situations. He would also be
>> judged on how quickly he responded to changing driving situations -
>> cars in front braking and slowing down, cars in front signalling,
>> traffic lights changing.
> I've tried driving simulators. They're completely unrealistic. No
Whatever. However, the performance of a driver on a simulator not using a
mobile can certainly be compared to the performance of a driver on a
simulator using a mobile can't it?
From: Ret. on 23 Mar 2010 07:14
> On 21/03/2010 11:47, Bod wrote:
>> Look at it the other way around; do you consider driving one handed
>> with a phone stuck to your ear is safer than having two hands on the
>> wheel and no phone to your ear? equal or more unsafe?
> If it is dangerous to drive with one hand, why are one armed disabled
> people allowed to drive?
Cars for disabled drivers are specially adapted for such use.
Why are the Police permitted to use their
> radios during a pursuit?
Because all current police vehicles have hands-free kits and merely shouting
out 'Left into Balmoral Road', is not the same as having a conversation.
From: Ret. on 23 Mar 2010 07:19
> On 22/03/2010 12:12, Ret. wrote:
>>>> Because mobile phones have been shown to be particularly
>>>> distracting - and far more than most other normal distractions.
>> That is what the research shows. Disbelieve it if you want.
> Research either done in the US or paid for by a body with a financial
> interest in it being proven.
>> Clearly you cannot legislate to ban *everything* that is risky whilst
>> driving - but it makes sense to legislate to ban specific acts that
>> have been demonstrated to be 'particularly' distracting.
> So when is talking to passengers going to be banned? How do you police
> Perhaps we should ban car stereos too.
Sigh... It is clear from you comments that you actually haven't read any of
the findings of the research into driving and mobile phone use. Or you have
and just not understood it.