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From: Mr. Benn on 14 Mar 2010 13:54 "METWO" <metwo(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:6KWdnTqGu9iqQQHWnZ2dnUVZ7oednZ2d(a)bt.com... > "Mr. Benn" <nospam(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message > news:hniamj$k46$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1257809/Record-number-motorists-prosecuted-driving-using-mobile-phones.html >> >> When are people going to get the message? >> >> Even hands-free calling can be a distraction to driving but using only >> one hand to steer a 1+ tonne vehicle is madness. >> >> >> > > > There is no more distraction than talking to a passenger so do we all kick > out the passengers ? > > if it is that bad to drive with a phone etc then stop the Police using > there two way radio's, this would reduce a lot of accidents as well !! > This country we are getting obsessed with money making scams like speeding > camera's and it nothing to do with safety,its just a rip off > > so don't come on here saying about phone usage, its about time they > dropped these stupid laws > > metwo Note that the study mentioned below was carried out by the Transport Research Laboratory and funded by Direct Lone (and not the government). http://www.directline.com/about_us/news_27022009.htm A study by leading car insurer Direct line, carried out by Transport Research Laboratory (TRL), has revealed that driver reaction times, such as the time taken to apply the brakes or steer away from danger, are 30 per cent slower when driving whilst using a hands-free mobile phone than when driving whilst over the legal alcohol limit.1 When travelling at 70 miles per hour (mph) the affect on reaction time caused by the hands-free mobile conversation means that the vehicle travels 26ft further than one driven under 'normal conditions'2 before the driver is fully engaged and able to take the appropriate action. In contrast, someone driving slightly over the legal alcohol limit would travel just 13ft further than someone driving under normal conditions before they responded - half the distance of the hands-free mobile using driver. The extra distance travelled by the car before the driver responds due to not fully concentrating on the road ahead is illustrated in the diagram below.
From: Conor on 14 Mar 2010 13:55 On 14/03/2010 15:48, furnessvale wrote: > So your considered opinion is that the use of a hand held mobile phone > while driving has no effect whatsoever on the concentration of that > driver to the primary task in hand. > No, it is my considered opinion that the number of incomptent fuckwits doing this that are likely to actually have an accident is so low as to be statistically insignificant and said people are still likely to do it no matter what law and penalty is in place. > That would explain the huge number of stone lorry drivers I see on the > A6 using their phones on the MT return trip making multiple calls to > book the next best profitable loaded trip. > Do you see any of them having a crash? -- Conor I'm not prejudiced. I hate everyone equally.
From: Ret. on 14 Mar 2010 14:12 METWO wrote: > "Mr. Benn" <nospam(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message > news:hniamj$k46$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1257809/Record-number-motorists-prosecuted-driving-using-mobile-phones.html >> >> When are people going to get the message? >> >> Even hands-free calling can be a distraction to driving but using >> only one hand to steer a 1+ tonne vehicle is madness. >> >> >> > > > There is no more distraction than talking to a passenger so do we all > kick out the passengers ? Take a look at the research. Your comment is just plain wrong. > > if it is that bad to drive with a phone etc then stop the Police > using there two way radio's, this would reduce a lot of accidents as > well !! Police officers rarely have 'conversations' over their radios - in fact they are specifically expected to keep on-air dialogue to a minimum. Kev
From: TJ on 14 Mar 2010 14:12 "Adrian" <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:803p6gF834U4(a)mid.individual.net... > "Mr. Benn" <nospam(a)invalid.invalid> gurgled happily, sounding much like > they were saying: > >> Even hands-free calling can be a distraction to driving but using only >> one hand to steer a 1+ tonne vehicle is madness. > > So will you be calling for a ban on drivers with only one arm; on manual- > gearbox vehicles; on car CD players, radios etc; and on drivers having > conversations with passengers? > I would look at the disability side of things and the current Motability scheme. If a person completes a form for enhanced disability living allowance, to have this granted to be able to get a free car they must be fairly disabled. Unfortunately if they have restricted movement to the level that enables them to get this free benefit, that means they do not meet the requirements to be in full and proper control of a motor vehicle. They can't be disabled outside a car and then suddenly have full and unrestricted movement inside a car. If they do they have lied on the forms and the benefits agency are now filming people getting in and out of cars! They do it to prevent fraud. If a person can not bend, move properly or can't bend their knees, how is it they have no problem performing all those actions without help near a car? It's about time that the Motability Scam was stopped and people who are not genuine cases are prosecuted. My local Benefit Agency caught a number of people after setting up a camera in a van in B&Q, ASDA and Tesco, also at a local shopping centre. They filmed people loading up their cars, carrying heavy material and walking around shopping centres for hours - then prosecuted every one of them. All of them shouted, "I'm disabled" as usual. All this does is ruin the benefits in place for people that need them, genuine people! A one armed person wouldn't be allowed to drive a manual car and would be prosecuted. He would need to have an automatic and could face serious criminal charges over this. > Or would, p'raps, a nice little bit of catch-all legislation to hit those > who aren't paying any attention with a properly serious offence, one that > might make 'em actually think, be a good idea? We could call it "Driving > without due care and attention" or "careless driving", p'raps? If the police wanted to catch people they wouldn't have done away with the Trafic Police across the country. Also how many police cars and vans do you see speeding and driving in a way that is not in accordance with the driving licence? I see lots of them abusing their position and have filmed them for a documentary.
From: furnessvale on 14 Mar 2010 15:28
On Mar 14, 5:55�pm, Conor <co...(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote: > On 14/03/2010 15:48, furnessvale wrote: > > > So your considered opinion is that the use of a hand held mobile phone > > while driving has no effect whatsoever on the concentration of that > > driver to �the primary task in hand. > > No, it is my considered opinion that the number of incomptent fuckwits > doing this that are likely to actually have an accident is so low as to > be statistically insignificant and said people are still likely to do it > no matter what law and penalty is in place. > > > That would explain the huge number of stone lorry drivers I see on the > > A6 using their phones on the MT return trip making multiple calls to > > book the next best profitable loaded trip. > > Do you see any of them having a crash? Frequently, including on one occasion my garden wall. George |