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From: damduck-egg on 14 Mar 2010 06:25
On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 01:43:38 -0800 (PST), NM <nik.morgan(a)mac.com>
wrote:

>On 14 Mar, 09:36, "Mr. Benn" <nos...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1257809/Record-number-motoris...
>>
>> When are people going to get the message?
>>
>> Even hands-free calling can be a distraction to driving but using only one
>> hand to steer a 1+ tonne vehicle is madness.
>
>Earlier this morning I was steering my 44 tonne Scania with one finger
>on the wheel. Sometimes, especially on deeply rutted motorways like
>those commonly found in Belgium there is no need to hold the wheel
>once it's in the ruts it behaves like a train,

Does this mean that you are arriving late and you cargo has to be
unloaded onto another vehicle to get around some road repairs?


G.Harman
From: Ret. on 15 Mar 2010 05:26
Conor wrote:
> On 14/03/2010 19:28, furnessvale wrote:
>> On Mar 14, 5:55�pm, Conor<co...(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 14/03/2010 15:48, furnessvale wrote:
>>>
>>>> So your considered opinion is that the use of a hand held mobile
>>>> phone while driving has no effect whatsoever on the concentration
>>>> of that driver to �the primary task in hand.
>>>
>>> No, it is my considered opinion that the number of incomptent
>>> fuckwits doing this that are likely to actually have an accident is
>>> so low as to be statistically insignificant and said people are
>>> still likely to do it no matter what law and penalty is in place.
>>>
>>>> That would explain the huge number of stone lorry drivers I see on
>>>> the A6 using their phones on the MT return trip making multiple
>>>> calls to book the next best profitable loaded trip.
>>>
>>> Do you see any of them having a crash?
>>
>> Frequently, including on one occasion my garden wall.
>>
>
> How do you know this was due to driving whilst using a mobile phone?

Exactly - and this is where your argument in support of mobile phone useage
not causing accidents falls down. Other than where a driver has actually
been *seen* using a mobile - how do we know? There may have been thousands
of accidents caused by mobile phone useage - but they are not recorded as
such because no one saw the driver using his phone.

Kev

From: ChelseaTractorMan on 15 Mar 2010 15:00
On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:47:15 -0700 (PDT), furnessvale
<furnessvale(a)aol.com> wrote:

>Only one of them
>is a specific offence but it is no less dangerous than the others.

"specific", yes, nowadays people get pulled for eating sarnies, *but*
its not about one hand on the wheel, its about attention, so unless
your talk to your sandwiches and they answer back, its quite
reasonable.
--
Mike. .. .
Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine.
From: ChelseaTractorMan on 16 Mar 2010 08:23
On 16 Mar 2010 11:00:08 GMT, Adrian <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>Would you have said that a �60/3pt fixed penalty for being on the phone
>was the most serious offence committed there?

as it was the cause of the accident.....
--
Mike. .. .
Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine.
From: ChelseaTractorMan on 16 Mar 2010 09:06
On 16 Mar 2010 12:26:46 GMT, Adrian <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>> as it was the cause of the accident.....
>
>Um, no. It was a symptom of the cause - one that happens to be nice and
>visible, so gets latched onto by those too thick to actually think.

inattention caused by being on a phone.
--
Mike. .. .
Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine.
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