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From: Dave Head on 24 Jul 2010 15:17 On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 13:37:38 -0500, Rich Piehl <rpiehl5REMOVETHISFOR(a)NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote: >On 7/24/2010 10:04 AM, Otto Yamamoto wrote: >> Rich Piehl wrote: >>> On 7/23/2010 8:53 PM, Otto Yamamoto wrote: >>>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 14:00:43 -0500, Rich Piehl wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think you like everything that Europe does so much, their power plants >>>>> their governments, their cars, their rails, their transit system their >>>>> socialistic governments (that some in this group have denied are >>>>> socialistic) >>> >>> I'm not the one that called socialistic. Larry did. >>> >>> BTW, who is the sourcing on that. It's just a chart - I'm probably >>> missing it but no data that I see. No explanation of how the chart was >>> arrived at and by what/whose yardstick. >>> >>> But for proof about European socialism just google it. There's all >>> kinds of sources from all over the world. Some right, some left. >> >> Where are the majority Socialist Governments, then? I hate to break >> this to ya, but Socism has been irrelevant for years. Just a buncha >> impotent guilt-ridden yuppies. And you quake in fear. > >Because, as the European countries are finding out, eventually you run >out of other people's money. And that's the direction we're heading in >here. I'm not quaking in fear. But why go down that road when we know >what awaits us at the end of it? Mainly I think it is because of the continuing pauperization of the American middle class. People are steadily getting poorer, and the ultimate goal our enemies is that we have only the very rich, the very poor, and nobody in between. That, of course, causes the people to want to redistribute wealth. That's pretty much the core of socialism - you have to have the gov't take the money of the rich at the point of a gun and give it to people that mostly don't have money any more. The solution is to repeal the income tax. The income tax is what is removing opportunity from the middle class - it is simply getting less and less possible to make a good living by doing something as an employee - you have to own a company. Get rich, or live poor, no other choice. The income taxes are forcing all the really good paying jobs overseas, because its just not possible to make a profit here, so the only employee-jobs other than hi-tech (which is requiring higher and higher tech, meaning masters and PHD degrees, to make good money), and the rest are crappy retail-like jobs, or very small business jobs like plumbing for residential work. The guy owning the plumbing company doesn't do to bad, but the individual workman don't make squat unless the company is big enough to unionize.
From: Dave Head on 24 Jul 2010 15:34 On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 13:37:38 -0500, Rich Piehl <rpiehl5REMOVETHISFOR(a)NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote: >On 7/24/2010 10:04 AM, Otto Yamamoto wrote: >> Rich Piehl wrote: >>> On 7/23/2010 8:53 PM, Otto Yamamoto wrote: >>>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 14:00:43 -0500, Rich Piehl wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think you like everything that Europe does so much, their power plants >>>>> their governments, their cars, their rails, their transit system their >>>>> socialistic governments (that some in this group have denied are >>>>> socialistic) >>> >>> I'm not the one that called socialistic. Larry did. >>> >>> BTW, who is the sourcing on that. It's just a chart - I'm probably >>> missing it but no data that I see. No explanation of how the chart was >>> arrived at and by what/whose yardstick. >>> >>> But for proof about European socialism just google it. There's all >>> kinds of sources from all over the world. Some right, some left. >> >> Where are the majority Socialist Governments, then? I hate to break >> this to ya, but Socism has been irrelevant for years. Just a buncha >> impotent guilt-ridden yuppies. And you quake in fear. > >Because, as the European countries are finding out, eventually you run >out of other people's money. And that's the direction we're heading in >here. I'm not quaking in fear. But why go down that road when we know >what awaits us at the end of it? Mainly I think it is because of the continuing pauperization of the American middle class. People are steadily getting poorer, and the ultimate goal our enemies is that we have only the very rich, the very poor, and nobody in between. That, of course, causes the people to want to redistribute wealth. That's pretty much the core of socialism - you have to have the gov't take the money of the rich at the point of a gun and give it to people that mostly don't have money any more. The solution is to repeal the income tax. The income tax is what is removing opportunity from the middle class - it is simply getting less and less possible to make a good living by doing something as an employee - you have to own a company. Get rich, or live poor, no other choice. The income taxes are forcing all the really good paying jobs overseas, because its just not possible to make a profit here, so the only employee-jobs other than hi-tech (which is requiring higher and higher tech, meaning masters and PHD degrees, to make good money), and the rest are crappy retail-like jobs, or very small business jobs like plumbing for residential work. The guy owning the plumbing company doesn't do to bad, but the individual workman don't make squat unless the company is big enough to unionize.
From: Rich Piehl on 24 Jul 2010 18:03 On 7/24/2010 1:49 PM, Free Lunch wrote: > On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 13:37:38 -0500, Rich Piehl > <rpiehl5REMOVETHISFOR(a)NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in misc.transport.road: > >> On 7/24/2010 10:04 AM, Otto Yamamoto wrote: >>> Rich Piehl wrote: >>>> On 7/23/2010 8:53 PM, Otto Yamamoto wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 14:00:43 -0500, Rich Piehl wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think you like everything that Europe does so much, their power plants >>>>>> their governments, their cars, their rails, their transit system their >>>>>> socialistic governments (that some in this group have denied are >>>>>> socialistic) >>>> >>>> I'm not the one that called socialistic. Larry did. >>>> >>>> BTW, who is the sourcing on that. It's just a chart - I'm probably >>>> missing it but no data that I see. No explanation of how the chart was >>>> arrived at and by what/whose yardstick. >>>> >>>> But for proof about European socialism just google it. There's all >>>> kinds of sources from all over the world. Some right, some left. >>> >>> Where are the majority Socialist Governments, then? I hate to break >>> this to ya, but Socism has been irrelevant for years. Just a buncha >>> impotent guilt-ridden yuppies. And you quake in fear. >> >> Because, as the European countries are finding out, eventually you run >> out of other people's money. And that's the direction we're heading in >> here. I'm not quaking in fear. But why go down that road when we know >> what awaits us at the end of it? > > Well, the tea partiers are saying that the elderly and the poor should > die rather than allow taxes to be spent helping them. Many of the tea > partiers are particularly offended that we sometimes help people who are > not of northern European heritage and few other tea partiers call them > out for their racism. Would you care to source your claim? And would you care to source how you arrived at that quantity "many?" I can double source my claim that it's actually Obama advisor Ezekiel Emmanuel that has that opinion that elderly (and children for that matter) should have health care rationed. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Obama-advisor-would-deny-medical-care-to-seniors-demented-51414342.html http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203706604574374463280098676.html
From: Free Lunch on 24 Jul 2010 18:47 On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 17:03:32 -0500, Rich Piehl <rpiehl5REMOVETHISFOR(a)NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in misc.transport.road: >On 7/24/2010 1:49 PM, Free Lunch wrote: >> On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 13:37:38 -0500, Rich Piehl >> <rpiehl5REMOVETHISFOR(a)NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in misc.transport.road: >> >>> On 7/24/2010 10:04 AM, Otto Yamamoto wrote: >>>> Rich Piehl wrote: >>>>> On 7/23/2010 8:53 PM, Otto Yamamoto wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 14:00:43 -0500, Rich Piehl wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I think you like everything that Europe does so much, their power plants >>>>>>> their governments, their cars, their rails, their transit system their >>>>>>> socialistic governments (that some in this group have denied are >>>>>>> socialistic) >>>>> >>>>> I'm not the one that called socialistic. Larry did. >>>>> >>>>> BTW, who is the sourcing on that. It's just a chart - I'm probably >>>>> missing it but no data that I see. No explanation of how the chart was >>>>> arrived at and by what/whose yardstick. >>>>> >>>>> But for proof about European socialism just google it. There's all >>>>> kinds of sources from all over the world. Some right, some left. >>>> >>>> Where are the majority Socialist Governments, then? I hate to break >>>> this to ya, but Socism has been irrelevant for years. Just a buncha >>>> impotent guilt-ridden yuppies. And you quake in fear. >>> >>> Because, as the European countries are finding out, eventually you run >>> out of other people's money. And that's the direction we're heading in >>> here. I'm not quaking in fear. But why go down that road when we know >>> what awaits us at the end of it? >> >> Well, the tea partiers are saying that the elderly and the poor should >> die rather than allow taxes to be spent helping them. Many of the tea >> partiers are particularly offended that we sometimes help people who are >> not of northern European heritage and few other tea partiers call them >> out for their racism. > > >Would you care to source your claim? And would you care to source how >you arrived at that quantity "many?" > >I can double source my claim that it's actually Obama advisor Ezekiel >Emmanuel that has that opinion that elderly (and children for that >matter) should have health care rationed. > >http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Obama-advisor-would-deny-medical-care-to-seniors-demented-51414342.html > >http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203706604574374463280098676.html > Health care has always been rationed. The question is how it is rationed. Right now, in this country, it is rationed by insurance companies and affordability.
From: Rich Piehl on 24 Jul 2010 20:05
On 7/24/2010 5:47 PM, Free Lunch wrote: > On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 17:03:32 -0500, Rich Piehl > <rpiehl5REMOVETHISFOR(a)NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in misc.transport.road: > >> On 7/24/2010 1:49 PM, Free Lunch wrote: >>> On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 13:37:38 -0500, Rich Piehl >>> <rpiehl5REMOVETHISFOR(a)NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in misc.transport.road: >>> >>>> On 7/24/2010 10:04 AM, Otto Yamamoto wrote: >>>>> Rich Piehl wrote: >>>>>> On 7/23/2010 8:53 PM, Otto Yamamoto wrote: >>>>>>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 14:00:43 -0500, Rich Piehl wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think you like everything that Europe does so much, their power plants >>>>>>>> their governments, their cars, their rails, their transit system their >>>>>>>> socialistic governments (that some in this group have denied are >>>>>>>> socialistic) >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not the one that called socialistic. Larry did. >>>>>> >>>>>> BTW, who is the sourcing on that. It's just a chart - I'm probably >>>>>> missing it but no data that I see. No explanation of how the chart was >>>>>> arrived at and by what/whose yardstick. >>>>>> >>>>>> But for proof about European socialism just google it. There's all >>>>>> kinds of sources from all over the world. Some right, some left. >>>>> >>>>> Where are the majority Socialist Governments, then? I hate to break >>>>> this to ya, but Socism has been irrelevant for years. Just a buncha >>>>> impotent guilt-ridden yuppies. And you quake in fear. >>>> >>>> Because, as the European countries are finding out, eventually you run >>>> out of other people's money. And that's the direction we're heading in >>>> here. I'm not quaking in fear. But why go down that road when we know >>>> what awaits us at the end of it? >>> >>> Well, the tea partiers are saying that the elderly and the poor should >>> die rather than allow taxes to be spent helping them. Many of the tea >>> partiers are particularly offended that we sometimes help people who are >>> not of northern European heritage and few other tea partiers call them >>> out for their racism. >> >> >> Would you care to source your claim? And would you care to source how >> you arrived at that quantity "many?" >> >> I can double source my claim that it's actually Obama advisor Ezekiel >> Emmanuel that has that opinion that elderly (and children for that >> matter) should have health care rationed. >> >> http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Obama-advisor-would-deny-medical-care-to-seniors-demented-51414342.html >> >> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203706604574374463280098676.html >> > Health care has always been rationed. So it's not. If anything Emmannuel's comments say the opposite has been true in the past, causing the increase in health care we have today. The question is how it is > rationed. Right now, in this country, it is rationed by insurance > companies and affordability *Failure to source comment about the Tea Party - noted and logged. *Failure to source comment about about the term "many" - noted and logged *Admitting that comments attributed to tea party are instead beliefs held by "Free Lunch" troll (transference, I believe) to avoid admitting to indefensible position - noted and logged. *Failure to acknowledge the comment attributed to tea party was instead made by a member of the Obama Administration - noted and logged. *Heartless desire not to treat elderly and children by "Free Lunch" troll - noted and logged. *Another supposedly compassionate member of the left showing his true colors again - noted and logged. |