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From: bugo on 25 Jul 2010 18:32 "Dave Head" <rally2xs(a)att.net> wrote in message news:v6ep465j6er3qac8qgc4dqmjbsp1b2pukg(a)4ax.com... > On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 15:49:17 -0500, "bugo" <watuzi(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>"Dave Head" <rally2xs(a)att.net> wrote in message >>news:gmjo461vf228o2k9r60ag1oemg3gdqqpsr(a)4ax.com... >>> Those are income taxes, and would go away with the repeal of the 13th >>> Amendment. Not only that, they are HIGHLY REGRESSIVE income taxes, >>> that take 7.65% out of the pay of even someone making $5K/yr, it >>> doesn't matter how little you make, that 7.65% happens. It also take >>> another 7.65% out of what the employer is supposed to cough up, which >>> incentivizes him to find workers overseas. >> >>Let me guess: you're one of those "fair tax" nutjobs. The "fair tax" >>would >>result in a higher tax burden for the poor > > Absolutely 100% wrong. The poor don't pay a penny of it. How would the poor be exempt from a sales tax? Would they carry a card that they could present to the cashier that said they don't have to pay taxes? >>and middle class > > Hey, I'm in the middle class, and I'd be going home with $14,000 more > per year that _isn't_ sent to Washington for my income tax. IOW, > middle class taxes would be lower. > >>and a lower tax burden for the rich > > Yes, exactly. That's a good thing. EVERYBODY pays less tax. What's > wrong with that? Everything is wrong with that. We need tax revenue to run the country. Less taxes = shoddy government. Which is what the Repubs want, for government to fail just so they can say "I told you so!"
From: Dave Head on 25 Jul 2010 19:07 On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 15:52:23 -0500, "bugo" <watuzi(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >"Dave Head" <rally2xs(a)att.net> wrote in message >news:0noo46d4ci8f79qqnpbbipgijecti1ufgv(a)4ax.com... >> Kill the income tax, make everyone prosperous, then they won't need >> it. > >I wish I had such a simple, dumbed down, black and white worldview. It >would be a lot easier than seeing the world as a complex thing. Killing the income tax is pretty simple - its a cancer in the economy.
From: Dave Head on 25 Jul 2010 19:10 On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:39:44 -0500, "bugo" <watuzi(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >"Dave Head" <rally2xs(a)att.net> wrote in message >news:908p46hd3dms1ip27mpbiuhbs2075p56lf(a)4ax.com... >> I knew that. So, did you sue the insurance company? >> >> I just meant that this move to get everything under the gov't plan >> will result in a Medicare-like gov't entity doing the insurance >> eventually, and if they refuse it, you can't sue 'em about it because >> they're the gov't. > >Do you think suing the insurance companies would be any more successful? Yeah. The local TV has several lawyers that advertise their eagerness to skewer insurance companies that don't honor their contracts. They've been doing it for at least a decade that I've seen 'em, and if they weren't successful, they wouldn't be making any money, so would quit investing in advertising for that. So... they must be successful.
From: Dave Head on 25 Jul 2010 19:19 On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:04:42 -0500, "bugo" <watuzi(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >"Dave Head" <rally2xs(a)att.net> wrote in message >news:jp4p46hvqdst0nfll6pf4qi4jlc4tellp5(a)4ax.com... >> They'll do what rich people do with money - use it to make more money. >> That's generally done by manufacturing things, which just provides >> more jobs to the rest of us. > >No, they'll horde the money like they already do. Tell me, how did General Motors get to building cars all over the USA, and employing 100's of thousands of people, if they hoarded their money and didn't spend any of it? Somebody else buy those factories for them? >>>Half our problem is the rich want to be richer, >> >> Duh... everybody wants to be richer... > >Not true. Many persons are perfectly happy with the amount of money that >they have. And another news flash: many of them aren't wealthy at all. I don't know anyone like that. >Greed isn't a universal condition. There are certain religious orders, I guess, but other than that, there's no such thing as too much money, in my experience. >> Yep, its the result of the income tax chasing out the good jobs to >> overseas and cross border locations, so the employees have been making >> less and less money and more and more crappy jobs. > >No, it is deregulation that has shipped the jobs overseas. No, it is the income taxes adding cost to the products produced in this country, that has made those products too expensive to compete in this market and too expensive to export as well. >Make it a >federal crime to outsource jobs Then the company just goes out of business, and we buy the same stuff from some Korean guy who employs absolutely no Americans to make it. > or at least increase the tariffs on imported >goods Which doesn't do a damn thing to make our exports competitive. >to a level that it is counterproductive to ship jobs overseas. And we'd have to quit the World Trade Organization. I dunno, maybe that'd be a good thing. Maybe. It seems to horrify some, tho. Not sure why. > >>>Wal-Marts CEO makes the equivalent of $10,000 an hour while most >>>Assocuates >>>barely make minimum wage. >> >> Yep. Its retail. That is highly competetive and doesn't produce any >> wealth. Wealth is produced 3 ways - Agriculture, Mining, and >> Manufacturing. Other businesses tend to be poor in comparison. > >Our farms have been taken over by corporations. Our manufacturing base has >been sent overseas. Yep. The manufacturing thing is because of the income taxes. >>>It's all about corporate greed, but that's OK by most Republicans. >> What's with the "corporate greed" hate speech? That is just silly. >> EVERYBODY is greedy - wants more - so what? If you don't want more, >> you're probably dead. > >As I said, not everybody is greedy. Not everyone lives in your world. Some >of us just want simple lives, not extravagant palaces and 20 BMWs, Some of >us are happy with a modest house and a modest car. >> Just wait. You're in for a shock when you see a loved one pass on >> that could otherwise have been saved, but they were "too old" to spend >> the money on for the liver transplant, or whatever. Or maybe you'll >> get to 90 years old, and they won't replace your knee 'cuz you're "too >> old" and you get to sit in a wheel chair for the rest of your life. > >That kind of stuff goes on today, but it's the insurance companies rather >than the government making these decisions. Yeah, but you can sue the insurance companies and make them cough up when their contract requires it. With the gov't doing your insurance, you're screwed if they say they won't cover it. >Why is it so bad to you for >government to make those decisions while it's fine and dandy for the corrupt >criminal insurance companies to make the same decisions? 'Cuz we can sue the insurance bunch, but not the gov't bunch. >That's something >that no right-winger has been able to answer. Just did.
From: bugo on 25 Jul 2010 19:26
"Dave Head" <rally2xs(a)att.net> wrote in message news:qtgp46d5r4tkanqg29s7vchdueeeeefm17(a)4ax.com... > On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 15:52:23 -0500, "bugo" <watuzi(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>"Dave Head" <rally2xs(a)att.net> wrote in message >>news:0noo46d4ci8f79qqnpbbipgijecti1ufgv(a)4ax.com... >>> Kill the income tax, make everyone prosperous, then they won't need >>> it. >> >>I wish I had such a simple, dumbed down, black and white worldview. It >>would be a lot easier than seeing the world as a complex thing. > > Killing the income tax is pretty simple - its a cancer in the economy. Simplifying the income tax is a great idea. Eliminating it for a sales tax that unfairly overtaxes the poor is criminal. |