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From: Larry G on 26 Jul 2010 18:18 On Jul 25, 9:08 pm, Dave Head <rally...(a)att.net> wrote: > On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 19:23:31 -0500, "bugo" <wat...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > >"Dave Head" <rally...(a)att.net> wrote in message > >news:1njp46paunuuq9ghdnkadl6ule8cgkfjh6(a)4ax.com... > >> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 18:26:36 -0500, "bugo" <wat...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > >>>"Dave Head" <rally...(a)att.net> wrote in message > >>>news:f0hp46hpjksu6spdmj9btkp1hn5g6fknas(a)4ax.com... > >>>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:39:44 -0500, "bugo" <wat...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > >>>>>"Dave Head" <rally...(a)att.net> wrote in message > >>>>>news:908p46hd3dms1ip27mpbiuhbs2075p56lf(a)4ax.com... > >>>>>> I knew that. So, did you sue the insurance company? > > >>>>>> I just meant that this move to get everything under the gov't plan > >>>>>> will result in a Medicare-like gov't entity doing the insurance > >>>>>> eventually, and if they refuse it, you can't sue 'em about it because > >>>>>> they're the gov't. > > >>>>>Do you think suing the insurance companies would be any more successful? > > >>>> Yeah. The local TV has several lawyers that advertise their eagerness > >>>> to skewer insurance companies that don't honor their contracts. > >>>> They've been doing it for at least a decade that I've seen 'em, and if > >>>> they weren't successful, they wouldn't be making any money, so would > >>>> quit investing in advertising for that. So... they must be > >>>> successful. > > >>>Dead men can't sue. > > >> But their families can. > > >It doesn't matter. The insurance companies killed somebody. They're dead. > >They can't do anything. And the insurance companies are never charged with > >murder. If I kill somebody, I go to prison. If an insurance company > >employee kills somebody, they get a raise. > > They do have some slimy practices that I would like to see outlawed. > And it sucks that the courts move so slowly that the victim dies. > There should be punitive damages that come within a hair's breadth of > bankrupting a company that refuses treatment in contravention of their > contract and it causes a death. There's just no excuse. > > >May an insurance company deny you life-saving coverage someday. Then you > >might see the error of your ways. > > A bit harsh, don't you think? I know they're slime-balls sometimes, > but then there's the Medicare bunch, that deny even more. Them you > can't sue. Medicare has to deny and will have to deny more if it is to be sustainable.
From: Larry G on 26 Jul 2010 18:22 On Jul 25, 9:27 pm, Dave Head <rally...(a)att.net> wrote: > On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:13:26 -0500, "bugo" <wat...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >"Dave Head" <rally...(a)att.net> wrote in message > >news:bhnp46teki6ftfe9lco9p88sg7a567u28m(a)4ax.com... > >> The Fair Tax is applied as a sales tax on new items and services sold > >> at retail. Things sold at wholesale, or for use in commerce, are not > >> taxed. So, Farmer Brown's seed stock for the year is not taxed, nor > >> is his tractor. The corn you buy from him is taxed since it is sold > >> to you at retail. Every new item and every service, save one, is > >> taxed. The only service not taxed is tuition. > > >So corporations get off scot-free. > > They always have. No corporation has ever paid a penny of tax. > They've just passed that expense along to the rest of us who buy their > products, and we pay it. THe corporation simply ends up being a tax > collector, to the detriment of Ameican industrial competitiveness. > > >No wonder why you corporate-loving Repubs like it so much. > > Why would you not be "corporate-loving." Where else do you think > you're going to get the good jobs to raise people out of poverty? > > >In your distorted world, corporations can do no wrong. > > Didn't say that, but that's no reason to hate them all because some of > them do really nasty stuff. corps just pass on the taxes to the customers... that's true.
From: Dave Head on 26 Jul 2010 19:51 On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:18:12 -0700 (PDT), Larry G <gross.larry(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On Jul 25, 9:02�pm, Dave Head <rally...(a)att.net> wrote: >> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 17:47:06 -0700 (PDT), Larry G >> >> >> >> >> >> <gross.la...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >On Jul 25, 8:21�pm, "bugo" <wat...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> "Dave Head" <rally...(a)att.net> wrote in message >> >> >>news:aijp46ttdd878cl257dl51hj4rt0t6sq0c(a)4ax.com... >> >> >> > On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 18:26:12 -0500, "bugo" <wat...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>"Dave Head" <rally...(a)att.net> wrote in message >> >> >>news:qtgp46d5r4tkanqg29s7vchdueeeeefm17(a)4ax.com... >> >> >>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 15:52:23 -0500, "bugo" <wat...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>>>"Dave Head" <rally...(a)att.net> wrote in message >> >> >>>>news:0noo46d4ci8f79qqnpbbipgijecti1ufgv(a)4ax.com... >> >> >>>>> Kill the income tax, make everyone prosperous, then they won't need >> >> >>>>> it. >> >> >> >>>>I wish I had such a simple, dumbed down, black and white worldview. �It >> >> >>>>would be a lot easier than seeing the world as a complex thing. >> >> >> >>> Killing the income tax is pretty simple - its a cancer in the economy. >> >> >> >>Simplifying the income tax is a great idea. �Eliminating it for a sales >> >> >>tax >> >> >>that unfairly overtaxes the poor is criminal. >> >> >> > The poor don't pay a penny of Fair Tax. >> >> >> Explain. �The way I understand, the "fair" tax is a sales tax. �Everyone has >> >> to pay a sales tax, and at the same rate. >> >> >what exactly is being taxed with the FAIR TAX? >> >> The Fair Tax is applied as a sales tax on new items and services sold >> at retail. �Things sold at wholesale, or for use in commerce, are not >> taxed. �So, Farmer Brown's seed stock for the year is not taxed, nor >> is his tractor. �The corn you buy from him is taxed since it is sold >> to you at retail. �Every new item and every service, save one, is >> taxed. �The only service not taxed is tuition. > >sounds a lot like the GST in Canada and Europe. Its all here: www.fairtax.org if you're interested. Its fairly simple, but the nuances of the effects of the fairly simple system are not, and are not immediatly obvious. I feel that I started really understanding it after looking at different parts of the material for about 2 months.
From: Michael Coburn on 26 Jul 2010 21:28 On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:22:47 -0700, Larry G wrote: > On Jul 25, 9:27 pm, Dave Head <rally...(a)att.net> wrote: >> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:13:26 -0500, "bugo" <wat...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >"Dave Head" <rally...(a)att.net> wrote in message >> >news:bhnp46teki6ftfe9lco9p88sg7a567u28m(a)4ax.com... >> >> The Fair Tax is applied as a sales tax on new items and services >> >> sold at retail. Things sold at wholesale, or for use in commerce, >> >> are not taxed. So, Farmer Brown's seed stock for the year is not >> >> taxed, nor is his tractor. The corn you buy from him is taxed since >> >> it is sold to you at retail. Every new item and every service, save >> >> one, is taxed. The only service not taxed is tuition. >> >> >So corporations get off scot-free. >> >> They always have. No corporation has ever paid a penny of tax. They've >> just passed that expense along to the rest of us who buy their >> products, and we pay it. THe corporation simply ends up being a tax >> collector, to the detriment of Ameican industrial competitiveness. >> >> >No wonder why you corporate-loving Repubs like it so much. >> >> Why would you not be "corporate-loving." Where else do you think >> you're going to get the good jobs to raise people out of poverty? >> >> >In your distorted world, corporations can do no wrong. >> >> Didn't say that, but that's no reason to hate them all because some of >> them do really nasty stuff. > > corps just pass on the taxes to the customers... that's true. Nope. -- "Senate rules don't trump the Constitution" -- http://GreaterVoice.org/60
From: Matthew Russotto on 26 Jul 2010 21:06
In article <i2irg8$71v$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, bugo <watuzi(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > >What's the difference? They refuse to pay for health care, which is the >same thing as murder as far as I'm concerned. Then you're an idiot. -- The problem with socialism is there's always someone with less ability and more need. |