From: Beam Me Up Scotty on
On 7/27/2010 1:36 PM, Michael Coburn wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:34:32 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
>
>> On 7/27/2010 12:51 AM, Michael Coburn wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 23:53:39 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/26/2010 9:28 PM, Michael Coburn wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:22:47 -0700, Larry G wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 25, 9:27 pm, Dave Head <rally...(a)att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:13:26 -0500, "bugo" <wat...(a)yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Dave Head" <rally...(a)att.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:bhnp46teki6ftfe9lco9p88sg7a567u28m(a)4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> The Fair Tax is applied as a sales tax on new items and services
>>>>>>>>> sold at retail. Things sold at wholesale, or for use in
>>>>>>>>> commerce, are not taxed. So, Farmer Brown's seed stock for the
>>>>>>>>> year is not taxed, nor is his tractor. The corn you buy from him
>>>>>>>>> is taxed since it is sold to you at retail. Every new item and
>>>>>>>>> every service, save one, is taxed. The only service not taxed is
>>>>>>>>> tuition.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So corporations get off scot-free.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They always have. No corporation has ever paid a penny of tax.
>>>>>>> They've just passed that expense along to the rest of us who buy
>>>>>>> their products, and we pay it. THe corporation simply ends up
>>>>>>> being a tax collector, to the detriment of Ameican industrial
>>>>>>> competitiveness.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No wonder why you corporate-loving Repubs like it so much.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why would you not be "corporate-loving." Where else do you think
>>>>>>> you're going to get the good jobs to raise people out of poverty?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In your distorted world, corporations can do no wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Didn't say that, but that's no reason to hate them all because some
>>>>>>> of them do really nasty stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> corps just pass on the taxes to the customers... that's true.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope.
>>>>
>>>> Explain what source the corporation's tax money comes from if it isn't
>>>> coming from the customer.
>>>
>>> The increased payments to the government are taken from what would have
>>> been paid out as dividends and/or the value of the stock takes a hit.
>>> IN
>>
>> This would be a confession that *taxes kill growth* and the *business*
>> *shrinks* as the value of the company takes a hit from higher taxes?
>
> That is, of course, a lie. It is a fact that taxes will not "kill
> growth" if properly applied. Even in the current system the value of
> LARGE companies take a greater hit than small companies from increases in
> corporate tax rates.
>


And that is of course bullshit and back peddling by you.

From: bugo on
"Michael Coburn" <mikcob(a)verizon.net> wrote in message
news:i2n2210d5g(a)news4.newsguy.com...
> It was the lack of import duties and "free trade" that destroyed America.

Truer words have never been spoken.

From: Dave Head on
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:36:49 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
<Then-Destroy-Everything(a)Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:
>What product does a government employee produce?

Ones I work with produce software to launch Tomahawk Cruise Missiles.

>GDP refers to "Producing"

It is some D valuable software.

>The economy is measured by it being productive.

Best way to make this software cost more is to have contractors do it,
who pay more to employees, find every way they can to charge overtime,
and have to make a profit to boot. That also adds to the cost. Gov't
workers don't have to produce a profit, just the software.
From: Dave Head on
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 04:27:00 -0700 (PDT), Larry G
<gross.larry(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jul 26, 7:51�pm, Dave Head <rally...(a)att.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:18:12 -0700 (PDT), Larry G
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <gross.la...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Jul 25, 9:02�pm, Dave Head <rally...(a)att.net> wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 17:47:06 -0700 (PDT), Larry G
>>
>> >> <gross.la...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Jul 25, 8:21�pm, "bugo" <wat...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> "Dave Head" <rally...(a)att.net> wrote in message
>>
>> >> >>news:aijp46ttdd878cl257dl51hj4rt0t6sq0c(a)4ax.com...
>>
>> >> >> > On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 18:26:12 -0500, "bugo" <wat...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >>"Dave Head" <rally...(a)att.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> >>news:qtgp46d5r4tkanqg29s7vchdueeeeefm17(a)4ax.com...
>> >> >> >>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 15:52:23 -0500, "bugo" <wat...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >>>>"Dave Head" <rally...(a)att.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> >>>>news:0noo46d4ci8f79qqnpbbipgijecti1ufgv(a)4ax.com...
>> >> >> >>>>> Kill the income tax, make everyone prosperous, then they won't need
>> >> >> >>>>> it.
>>
>> >> >> >>>>I wish I had such a simple, dumbed down, black and white worldview. �It
>> >> >> >>>>would be a lot easier than seeing the world as a complex thing.
>>
>> >> >> >>> Killing the income tax is pretty simple - its a cancer in the economy.
>>
>> >> >> >>Simplifying the income tax is a great idea. �Eliminating it for a sales
>> >> >> >>tax
>> >> >> >>that unfairly overtaxes the poor is criminal.
>>
>> >> >> > The poor don't pay a penny of Fair Tax.
>>
>> >> >> Explain. �The way I understand, the "fair" tax is a sales tax. �Everyone has
>> >> >> to pay a sales tax, and at the same rate.
>>
>> >> >what exactly is being taxed with the FAIR TAX?
>>
>> >> The Fair Tax is applied as a sales tax on new items and services sold
>> >> at retail. �Things sold at wholesale, or for use in commerce, are not
>> >> taxed. �So, Farmer Brown's seed stock for the year is not taxed, nor
>> >> is his tractor. �The corn you buy from him is taxed since it is sold
>> >> to you at retail. �Every new item and every service, save one, is
>> >> taxed. �The only service not taxed is tuition.
>>
>> >sounds a lot like the GST in Canada and Europe.
>>
>> Its all here:
>>
>> www.fairtax.org
>>
>> if you're interested. �Its fairly simple, but the nuances of the
>> effects of the fairly simple system are not, and are not immediatly
>> obvious. �I feel that I started really understanding it after looking
>> at different parts of the material for about 2 months.
>
>this is a more objective look:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairTax

Pretty voluminous, eh? If you scroll down sufficiently, you'll find
where it says that removal of the income taxes would cause _American_
manufactured goods to fall by 11.55% at retail. That would be a
significant advantage both at home and in international markets. Its
just one advantage of untaxing corporations.
From: Beam Me Up Scotty on
On 7/27/2010 11:07 PM, Dave Head wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:36:49 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
> <Then-Destroy-Everything(a)Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:
>> What product does a government employee produce?
>
> Ones I work with produce software to launch Tomahawk Cruise Missiles.
>

Yeh I want to buy that product.... BWBBWBBWWWWaahahahahahaha


>> GDP refers to "Producing"
>
> It is some D valuable software.

What government does is only valuable to Government. Anything
government, can be done better and cheaper by the private sector.


>
>> The economy is measured by it being productive.
>
> Best way to make this software cost more is to have contractors do it,
> who pay more to employees, find every way they can to charge overtime,

Government employees get paid more than the private sector.


> and have to make a profit to boot. That also adds to the cost. Gov't
> workers don't have to produce a profit, just the software.


And that's why they waste more and produce nothing. They aren't even
self sufficient.

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