From: Dave Head on
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 08:59:13 -0700 (PDT), Larry G
<gross.larry(a)gmail.com> wrote:


>SS and Medicare are for people who won't save for their retirement and
>then when broke an old want other taxpayers to pay for them.

That will be fewer if we get prosperity back.

>SS and Medicare are enforced savings programs to force people to set
>aside for their retirement.

They're not savings programs. They're taxes, and get spend
immediately by the gov't.

>The Income Tax is not the FICA tax.

Yes it is. Repeal the 13th amendment, and the FICA is not
collectable, and would be unconstitutional.

>Cutting the income tax won't affect SS and Medicare.

No, it won't. The consumption tax would just pay it. But yes it
will, as the prosperity brought about by the consumption tax would be
able to finance these things.

Want an optimistic scenario? We institute the consumption tax, the
economy takes off, we employ absolutely everyone possible, and then
throw open the gates to immigration. If the entire population of
Mexico wants to immigrate, fine, they can. We can then train them up
to work in our factories, put THEM to work, and they can pay into the
federal revenue that supports SS and Medicare, too, only newly born
citizens and immigrants are NOT to be eligible for it. They have to
save enough themselves, OR keep working until they die. Simple. The
more immigrants, the more taxpayers. As long as we keep them
prosperous, which should be doable with a consumption tax, they can be
a benefit to society.

>Good luck on getting rid of SS/Medicare. A majority of Republicans and
>Tea Party folks are opposed to that.

I'll never see it, I think. Maybe, over time, we can make everyone so
prosperous that they don't need it, or almost everyone.

>How do you intend to make it happen?

Kill the income tax, make everyone prosperous, then they won't need
it.
From: Larry G on
On Jul 25, 12:23 pm, Dave Head <rally...(a)att.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 08:59:13 -0700 (PDT), Larry G
>
> <gross.la...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >SS and Medicare are for people who won't save for their retirement and
> >then when broke an old want other taxpayers to pay for them.
>
> That will be fewer if we get prosperity back.
>
> >SS and Medicare are enforced savings programs to force people to set
> >aside for their retirement.
>
> They're not savings programs.  They're taxes, and get spend
> immediately by the gov't.
>
> >The Income Tax is not the FICA tax.
>
> Yes it is.  Repeal the 13th amendment, and the FICA is not
> collectable, and would be unconstitutional.
>
> >Cutting the income tax won't affect SS and Medicare.
>
> No, it won't.  The consumption tax would just pay it.  But yes it
> will, as the prosperity brought about by the consumption tax would be
> able to finance these things.
>
> Want an optimistic scenario?  We institute the consumption tax, the
> economy takes off, we employ absolutely everyone possible, and then
> throw open the gates to immigration. If the entire population of
> Mexico wants to immigrate, fine, they can.  We can then train them up
> to work in our factories, put THEM to work, and they can pay into the
> federal revenue that supports SS and Medicare, too, only newly born
> citizens and immigrants are NOT to be eligible for it.  They have to
> save enough themselves, OR keep working until they die.  Simple.  The
> more immigrants, the more taxpayers.  As long as we keep them
> prosperous, which should be doable with a consumption tax, they can be
> a benefit to society.
>
> >Good luck on getting rid of SS/Medicare. A majority of Republicans and
> >Tea Party folks are opposed to that.
>
> I'll never see it, I think.  Maybe, over time, we can make everyone so
> prosperous that they don't need it, or almost everyone.
>
> >How do you intend to make it happen?
>
> Kill the income tax, make everyone prosperous, then they won't need
> it.

are you in favor of a FAIR Tax or a VAT?
From: Dave Head on
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 10:16:55 -0700 (PDT), Larry G
<gross.larry(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jul 25, 12:23�pm, Dave Head <rally...(a)att.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 08:59:13 -0700 (PDT), Larry G
>>
>> <gross.la...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >SS and Medicare are for people who won't save for their retirement and
>> >then when broke an old want other taxpayers to pay for them.
>>
>> That will be fewer if we get prosperity back.
>>
>> >SS and Medicare are enforced savings programs to force people to set
>> >aside for their retirement.
>>
>> They're not savings programs. �They're taxes, and get spend
>> immediately by the gov't.
>>
>> >The Income Tax is not the FICA tax.
>>
>> Yes it is. �Repeal the 13th amendment, and the FICA is not
>> collectable, and would be unconstitutional.
>>
>> >Cutting the income tax won't affect SS and Medicare.
>>
>> No, it won't. �The consumption tax would just pay it. �But yes it
>> will, as the prosperity brought about by the consumption tax would be
>> able to finance these things.
>>
>> Want an optimistic scenario? �We institute the consumption tax, the
>> economy takes off, we employ absolutely everyone possible, and then
>> throw open the gates to immigration. If the entire population of
>> Mexico wants to immigrate, fine, they can. �We can then train them up
>> to work in our factories, put THEM to work, and they can pay into the
>> federal revenue that supports SS and Medicare, too, only newly born
>> citizens and immigrants are NOT to be eligible for it. �They have to
>> save enough themselves, OR keep working until they die. �Simple. �The
>> more immigrants, the more taxpayers. �As long as we keep them
>> prosperous, which should be doable with a consumption tax, they can be
>> a benefit to society.
>>
>> >Good luck on getting rid of SS/Medicare. A majority of Republicans and
>> >Tea Party folks are opposed to that.
>>
>> I'll never see it, I think. �Maybe, over time, we can make everyone so
>> prosperous that they don't need it, or almost everyone.
>>
>> >How do you intend to make it happen?
>>
>> Kill the income tax, make everyone prosperous, then they won't need
>> it.
>
>are you in favor of a FAIR Tax or a VAT?

Fair Tax. The VAT tax taxes our industries at every turn. The Fair
Tax taxes foreign industries too, and doesn't tax goods bought by our
industries for use in producing things. The VAT tax is 100%
regressive as it is applied to everything poor people buy, while the
Fair Tax effectively pays the tax on all poor people's purchases. The
VaT tax will happen in addition to the income tax, which will help
nothing at all, while the Fair Tax requires the dissolution of the
IRS, and eventual repeal of the 13th Amendment.
From: US 71 on

"Dave Head" <rally2xs(a)att.net> wrote

>
> Just wait. You're in for a shock when you see a loved one pass on
> that could otherwise have been saved, but they were "too old" to spend
> the money on for the liver transplant, or whatever. Or maybe you'll
> get to 90 years old, and they won't replace your knee 'cuz you're "too
> old" and you get to sit in a wheel chair for the rest of your life.
> Hope you haven't made a pact with the Devil for eternal life... <G>


I've already seen loved ones die because the insurance companies wouldn't pay.

Oh, and I have a Get Out Of Hell Free card. Do you?


From: US 71 on

"Beam Me Up Scotty" <Then-Destroy-Everything(a)Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote

>
> http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/obama_budget_11.html
>
> When you total the SS, Medicare, welfare, medicade, they make up the
> Majority of the budget

You Lie!

Health care $898 Billion

Defense $928



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