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From: bugo on 25 Jul 2010 19:26 "Dave Head" <rally2xs(a)att.net> wrote in message news:f0hp46hpjksu6spdmj9btkp1hn5g6fknas(a)4ax.com... > On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:39:44 -0500, "bugo" <watuzi(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>"Dave Head" <rally2xs(a)att.net> wrote in message >>news:908p46hd3dms1ip27mpbiuhbs2075p56lf(a)4ax.com... >>> I knew that. So, did you sue the insurance company? >>> >>> I just meant that this move to get everything under the gov't plan >>> will result in a Medicare-like gov't entity doing the insurance >>> eventually, and if they refuse it, you can't sue 'em about it because >>> they're the gov't. >> >>Do you think suing the insurance companies would be any more successful? > > Yeah. The local TV has several lawyers that advertise their eagerness > to skewer insurance companies that don't honor their contracts. > They've been doing it for at least a decade that I've seen 'em, and if > they weren't successful, they wouldn't be making any money, so would > quit investing in advertising for that. So... they must be > successful. Dead men can't sue.
From: Larry G on 25 Jul 2010 19:27 On Jul 25, 7:07 pm, Dave Head <rally...(a)att.net> wrote: > On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 15:52:23 -0500, "bugo" <wat...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >"Dave Head" <rally...(a)att.net> wrote in message > >news:0noo46d4ci8f79qqnpbbipgijecti1ufgv(a)4ax.com... > >> Kill the income tax, make everyone prosperous, then they won't need > >> it. > > >I wish I had such a simple, dumbed down, black and white worldview. It > >would be a lot easier than seeing the world as a complex thing. > > Killing the income tax is pretty simple - its a cancer in the economy. I'm not going to disagree with your premise but you're going to have to get a bunch more people on your side for change to happen and the current crop of Republicans are ZEROS.
From: bugo on 25 Jul 2010 19:28 "Dave Head" <rally2xs(a)att.net> wrote in message news:p4hp46l45b8k2m4ricbm2fvbk1i7lqu09j(a)4ax.com... >>> Duh... everybody wants to be richer... >> >>Not true. Many persons are perfectly happy with the amount of money that >>they have. And another news flash: many of them aren't wealthy at all. > > I don't know anyone like that. You must run with a greedy crowd then. My friends and family are moral and not greedy. >>Greed isn't a universal condition. > > There are certain religious orders, I guess, but other than that, > there's no such thing as too much money, in my experience. > >>> Yep, its the result of the income tax chasing out the good jobs to >>> overseas and cross border locations, so the employees have been making >>> less and less money and more and more crappy jobs. >> >>No, it is deregulation that has shipped the jobs overseas. > > No, it is the income taxes adding cost to the products produced in > this country, that has made those products too expensive to compete in > this market and too expensive to export as well. > >>Make it a >>federal crime to outsource jobs > > Then the company just goes out of business, and we buy the same stuff > from some Korean guy who employs absolutely no Americans to make it. > >> or at least increase the tariffs on imported >>goods > > Which doesn't do a damn thing to make our exports competitive. > >>to a level that it is counterproductive to ship jobs overseas. > > And we'd have to quit the World Trade Organization. I dunno, maybe > that'd be a good thing. Maybe. It seems to horrify some, tho. Not > sure why. >> >>>>Wal-Marts CEO makes the equivalent of $10,000 an hour while most >>>>Assocuates >>>>barely make minimum wage. >>> >>> Yep. Its retail. That is highly competetive and doesn't produce any >>> wealth. Wealth is produced 3 ways - Agriculture, Mining, and >>> Manufacturing. Other businesses tend to be poor in comparison. >> >>Our farms have been taken over by corporations. Our manufacturing base >>has >>been sent overseas. > > Yep. The manufacturing thing is because of the income taxes. > >>>>It's all about corporate greed, but that's OK by most Republicans. > >>> What's with the "corporate greed" hate speech? That is just silly. >>> EVERYBODY is greedy - wants more - so what? If you don't want more, >>> you're probably dead. >> >>As I said, not everybody is greedy. Not everyone lives in your world. >>Some >>of us just want simple lives, not extravagant palaces and 20 BMWs, Some >>of >>us are happy with a modest house and a modest car. > >>> Just wait. You're in for a shock when you see a loved one pass on >>> that could otherwise have been saved, but they were "too old" to spend >>> the money on for the liver transplant, or whatever. Or maybe you'll >>> get to 90 years old, and they won't replace your knee 'cuz you're "too >>> old" and you get to sit in a wheel chair for the rest of your life. >> >>That kind of stuff goes on today, but it's the insurance companies rather >>than the government making these decisions. > > Yeah, but you can sue the insurance companies and make them cough up > when their contract requires it. With the gov't doing your insurance, > you're screwed if they say they won't cover it. > >>Why is it so bad to you for >>government to make those decisions while it's fine and dandy for the >>corrupt >>criminal insurance companies to make the same decisions? > > 'Cuz we can sue the insurance bunch, but not the gov't bunch. > >>That's something >>that no right-winger has been able to answer. > > Just did. You didn't answer why it's OK for insurance companies to have death panels while it's not OK for the government to. If you're dead, you're dead, no matter if an insurance company or the government killed you.
From: bugo on 25 Jul 2010 19:29 "Larry G" <gross.larry(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:2c7f1080-56fe-4850-87be- > I don't know about other states but Va's Constitution mandates public > education. I bet the "state's rights" crowd will be silent on this comment.
From: Dave Head on 25 Jul 2010 19:34
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 17:32:14 -0500, "bugo" <watuzi(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >"Dave Head" <rally2xs(a)att.net> wrote in message >news:v6ep465j6er3qac8qgc4dqmjbsp1b2pukg(a)4ax.com... >> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 15:49:17 -0500, "bugo" <watuzi(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>>"Dave Head" <rally2xs(a)att.net> wrote in message >>>news:gmjo461vf228o2k9r60ag1oemg3gdqqpsr(a)4ax.com... >>>> Those are income taxes, and would go away with the repeal of the 13th >>>> Amendment. Not only that, they are HIGHLY REGRESSIVE income taxes, >>>> that take 7.65% out of the pay of even someone making $5K/yr, it >>>> doesn't matter how little you make, that 7.65% happens. It also take >>>> another 7.65% out of what the employer is supposed to cough up, which >>>> incentivizes him to find workers overseas. >>> >>>Let me guess: you're one of those "fair tax" nutjobs. The "fair tax" >>>would >>>result in a higher tax burden for the poor >> >> Absolutely 100% wrong. The poor don't pay a penny of it. > >How would the poor be exempt from a sales tax? Would they carry a card that >they could present to the cashier that said they don't have to pay taxes? Oh, you've been criticizing the Fair Tax and you don't know how it works? Fancy that! The Fair Tax gives every head of household, and that's _every_ head of household from your favorite street person all the way up to Bill Gates, a check each month that equals what a person spending their entire paycheck on new purchases at the rate of the poverty level. That is, if the poverty level is $24,000 per year, then everyone in that particular tax situation (maybe married with 2 kids is $24,000 poverty level) will get enough in the check to pay the Fair Tax on purchases up to $2000 a month. >>>and middle class >> >> Hey, I'm in the middle class, and I'd be going home with $14,000 more >> per year that _isn't_ sent to Washington for my income tax. IOW, >> middle class taxes would be lower. >> >>>and a lower tax burden for the rich >> >> Yes, exactly. That's a good thing. EVERYBODY pays less tax. What's >> wrong with that? > >Everything is wrong with that. We need tax revenue to run the country. We'll get the tax revenue, but it'll come in from the Fair Tax. If you go to the IRS website right now, you'll probably be able to find that if everyone paid all the taxes they owed, then each of our taxes would be 35% lower. Well, the Fair Tax is harder to avoid. Every Big Mac, every tank of gas, every movie ticket, every big screen TV, every car that anyone buys gets taxed. Doesn't matter whether its an illegal alien or a drug dealer buying it, those would be new revenue sources. Airplane rides and motel stays by tourists would also be new revenue. >Less taxes = shoddy government. The Fair Tax would equal what the income taxes deliver now. >Which is what the Repubs want, for >government to fail just so they can say "I told you so!" Nope. They're trying to keep the gov't from failing. The Fair Tax is one way to do it, and actually the best way. |