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From: Dave Head on 27 Jul 2010 04:48 On 27 Jul 2010 04:51:34 GMT, Michael Coburn <mikcob(a)verizon.net> wrote: >On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 23:53:39 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote: > >> On 7/26/2010 9:28 PM, Michael Coburn wrote: >>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:22:47 -0700, Larry G wrote: >>> >>>> On Jul 25, 9:27 pm, Dave Head <rally...(a)att.net> wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:13:26 -0500, "bugo" <wat...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>> "Dave Head" <rally...(a)att.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:bhnp46teki6ftfe9lco9p88sg7a567u28m(a)4ax.com... >>>>>>> The Fair Tax is applied as a sales tax on new items and services >>>>>>> sold at retail. Things sold at wholesale, or for use in commerce, >>>>>>> are not taxed. So, Farmer Brown's seed stock for the year is not >>>>>>> taxed, nor is his tractor. The corn you buy from him is taxed >>>>>>> since it is sold to you at retail. Every new item and every >>>>>>> service, save one, is taxed. The only service not taxed is >>>>>>> tuition. >>>>> >>>>>> So corporations get off scot-free. >>>>> >>>>> They always have. No corporation has ever paid a penny of tax. >>>>> They've just passed that expense along to the rest of us who buy >>>>> their products, and we pay it. THe corporation simply ends up being >>>>> a tax collector, to the detriment of Ameican industrial >>>>> competitiveness. >>>>> >>>>>> No wonder why you corporate-loving Repubs like it so much. >>>>> >>>>> Why would you not be "corporate-loving." Where else do you think >>>>> you're going to get the good jobs to raise people out of poverty? >>>>> >>>>>> In your distorted world, corporations can do no wrong. >>>>> >>>>> Didn't say that, but that's no reason to hate them all because some >>>>> of them do really nasty stuff. >>>> >>>> corps just pass on the taxes to the customers... that's true. >>> >>> Nope. >> >> Explain what source the corporation's tax money comes from if it isn't >> coming from the customer. > >The increased payments to the government are taken from what would have >been paid out as dividends and/or the value of the stock takes a hit. IN >either case, the corporation eats the tax and the customers pay the same >amount as before for the same product or service. > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<< FURTHER STUPIDITY DELETED >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Absolutely clueless. No wonder high unemployment is predicted thru the year 2016 (a new, latest projection I heard on the news just yesterday.) The people that are either as stupid as you are, or are taking advantage of your stupidity by supporting this nonsemse, are in office and wrecking our economy.
From: Larry G on 27 Jul 2010 07:27 On Jul 26, 7:51 pm, Dave Head <rally...(a)att.net> wrote: > On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:18:12 -0700 (PDT), Larry G > > > > > > <gross.la...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >On Jul 25, 9:02 pm, Dave Head <rally...(a)att.net> wrote: > >> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 17:47:06 -0700 (PDT), Larry G > > >> <gross.la...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >On Jul 25, 8:21 pm, "bugo" <wat...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> "Dave Head" <rally...(a)att.net> wrote in message > > >> >>news:aijp46ttdd878cl257dl51hj4rt0t6sq0c(a)4ax.com... > > >> >> > On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 18:26:12 -0500, "bugo" <wat...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > >> >> >>"Dave Head" <rally...(a)att.net> wrote in message > >> >> >>news:qtgp46d5r4tkanqg29s7vchdueeeeefm17(a)4ax.com... > >> >> >>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 15:52:23 -0500, "bugo" <wat...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > >> >> >>>>"Dave Head" <rally...(a)att.net> wrote in message > >> >> >>>>news:0noo46d4ci8f79qqnpbbipgijecti1ufgv(a)4ax.com... > >> >> >>>>> Kill the income tax, make everyone prosperous, then they won't need > >> >> >>>>> it. > > >> >> >>>>I wish I had such a simple, dumbed down, black and white worldview. It > >> >> >>>>would be a lot easier than seeing the world as a complex thing. > > >> >> >>> Killing the income tax is pretty simple - its a cancer in the economy. > > >> >> >>Simplifying the income tax is a great idea. Eliminating it for a sales > >> >> >>tax > >> >> >>that unfairly overtaxes the poor is criminal. > > >> >> > The poor don't pay a penny of Fair Tax. > > >> >> Explain. The way I understand, the "fair" tax is a sales tax. Everyone has > >> >> to pay a sales tax, and at the same rate. > > >> >what exactly is being taxed with the FAIR TAX? > > >> The Fair Tax is applied as a sales tax on new items and services sold > >> at retail. Things sold at wholesale, or for use in commerce, are not > >> taxed. So, Farmer Brown's seed stock for the year is not taxed, nor > >> is his tractor. The corn you buy from him is taxed since it is sold > >> to you at retail. Every new item and every service, save one, is > >> taxed. The only service not taxed is tuition. > > >sounds a lot like the GST in Canada and Europe. > > Its all here: > > www.fairtax.org > > if you're interested. Its fairly simple, but the nuances of the > effects of the fairly simple system are not, and are not immediatly > obvious. I feel that I started really understanding it after looking > at different parts of the material for about 2 months. this is a more objective look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairTax
From: Beam Me Up Scotty on 27 Jul 2010 09:48 On 7/27/2010 12:51 AM, Michael Coburn wrote: > On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 23:53:39 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote: > >> On 7/26/2010 9:28 PM, Michael Coburn wrote: >>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:22:47 -0700, Larry G wrote: >>> >>>> On Jul 25, 9:27 pm, Dave Head <rally...(a)att.net> wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:13:26 -0500, "bugo" <wat...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>> "Dave Head" <rally...(a)att.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:bhnp46teki6ftfe9lco9p88sg7a567u28m(a)4ax.com... >>>>>>> The Fair Tax is applied as a sales tax on new items and services >>>>>>> sold at retail. Things sold at wholesale, or for use in commerce, >>>>>>> are not taxed. So, Farmer Brown's seed stock for the year is not >>>>>>> taxed, nor is his tractor. The corn you buy from him is taxed >>>>>>> since it is sold to you at retail. Every new item and every >>>>>>> service, save one, is taxed. The only service not taxed is >>>>>>> tuition. >>>>> >>>>>> So corporations get off scot-free. >>>>> >>>>> They always have. No corporation has ever paid a penny of tax. >>>>> They've just passed that expense along to the rest of us who buy >>>>> their products, and we pay it. THe corporation simply ends up being >>>>> a tax collector, to the detriment of Ameican industrial >>>>> competitiveness. >>>>> >>>>>> No wonder why you corporate-loving Repubs like it so much. >>>>> >>>>> Why would you not be "corporate-loving." Where else do you think >>>>> you're going to get the good jobs to raise people out of poverty? >>>>> >>>>>> In your distorted world, corporations can do no wrong. >>>>> >>>>> Didn't say that, but that's no reason to hate them all because some >>>>> of them do really nasty stuff. >>>> >>>> corps just pass on the taxes to the customers... that's true. >>> >>> Nope. >> >> Explain what source the corporation's tax money comes from if it isn't >> coming from the customer. > > The increased payments to the government are taken from what would have > been paid out as dividends and/or the value of the stock takes a hit. IN > either case, the corporation eats the tax and the customers pay the same > amount as before for the same product or service. Why didn't you just start by saying you've never run or owned a real business that made a payroll. Anyone that had, would NOT have answered with that bullshit.
From: Beam Me Up Scotty on 27 Jul 2010 10:34 On 7/27/2010 12:51 AM, Michael Coburn wrote: > On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 23:53:39 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote: > >> On 7/26/2010 9:28 PM, Michael Coburn wrote: >>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:22:47 -0700, Larry G wrote: >>> >>>> On Jul 25, 9:27 pm, Dave Head <rally...(a)att.net> wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:13:26 -0500, "bugo" <wat...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>> "Dave Head" <rally...(a)att.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:bhnp46teki6ftfe9lco9p88sg7a567u28m(a)4ax.com... >>>>>>> The Fair Tax is applied as a sales tax on new items and services >>>>>>> sold at retail. Things sold at wholesale, or for use in commerce, >>>>>>> are not taxed. So, Farmer Brown's seed stock for the year is not >>>>>>> taxed, nor is his tractor. The corn you buy from him is taxed >>>>>>> since it is sold to you at retail. Every new item and every >>>>>>> service, save one, is taxed. The only service not taxed is >>>>>>> tuition. >>>>> >>>>>> So corporations get off scot-free. >>>>> >>>>> They always have. No corporation has ever paid a penny of tax. >>>>> They've just passed that expense along to the rest of us who buy >>>>> their products, and we pay it. THe corporation simply ends up being >>>>> a tax collector, to the detriment of Ameican industrial >>>>> competitiveness. >>>>> >>>>>> No wonder why you corporate-loving Repubs like it so much. >>>>> >>>>> Why would you not be "corporate-loving." Where else do you think >>>>> you're going to get the good jobs to raise people out of poverty? >>>>> >>>>>> In your distorted world, corporations can do no wrong. >>>>> >>>>> Didn't say that, but that's no reason to hate them all because some >>>>> of them do really nasty stuff. >>>> >>>> corps just pass on the taxes to the customers... that's true. >>> >>> Nope. >> >> Explain what source the corporation's tax money comes from if it isn't >> coming from the customer. > > The increased payments to the government are taken from what would have > been paid out as dividends and/or the value of the stock takes a hit. IN This would be a confession that *taxes kill growth* and the *business* *shrinks* as the value of the company takes a hit from higher taxes? Which means your past Leftist rhetoric about taxes helping business and consumers was a lie. The problem with your assumption is that the people running the business cut their overhead(usually trim labor costs) to offset the new taxes. That in turn hurts the workers and the consumers that may see the new tax partly passed on in the higher price. Cut a little raise the price a little, and the corporation stays competitive and doesn't take a hit. > either case, the corporation eats the tax and the customers pay the same > amount as before for the same product or service. You never ran a successful business!
From: Michael Coburn on 27 Jul 2010 12:40
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 04:48:57 -0400, Dave Head wrote: > On 27 Jul 2010 04:51:34 GMT, Michael Coburn <mikcob(a)verizon.net> wrote: > >>On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 23:53:39 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote: >> >>> On 7/26/2010 9:28 PM, Michael Coburn wrote: >>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:22:47 -0700, Larry G wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Jul 25, 9:27 pm, Dave Head <rally...(a)att.net> wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:13:26 -0500, "bugo" <wat...(a)yahoo.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> "Dave Head" <rally...(a)att.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:bhnp46teki6ftfe9lco9p88sg7a567u28m(a)4ax.com... >>>>>>>> The Fair Tax is applied as a sales tax on new items and services >>>>>>>> sold at retail. Things sold at wholesale, or for use in >>>>>>>> commerce, are not taxed. So, Farmer Brown's seed stock for the >>>>>>>> year is not taxed, nor is his tractor. The corn you buy from him >>>>>>>> is taxed since it is sold to you at retail. Every new item and >>>>>>>> every service, save one, is taxed. The only service not taxed is >>>>>>>> tuition. >>>>>> >>>>>>> So corporations get off scot-free. >>>>>> >>>>>> They always have. No corporation has ever paid a penny of tax. >>>>>> They've just passed that expense along to the rest of us who buy >>>>>> their products, and we pay it. THe corporation simply ends up >>>>>> being a tax collector, to the detriment of Ameican industrial >>>>>> competitiveness. >>>>>> >>>>>>> No wonder why you corporate-loving Repubs like it so much. >>>>>> >>>>>> Why would you not be "corporate-loving." Where else do you think >>>>>> you're going to get the good jobs to raise people out of poverty? >>>>>> >>>>>>> In your distorted world, corporations can do no wrong. >>>>>> >>>>>> Didn't say that, but that's no reason to hate them all because some >>>>>> of them do really nasty stuff. >>>>> >>>>> corps just pass on the taxes to the customers... that's true. >>>> >>>> Nope. >>> >>> Explain what source the corporation's tax money comes from if it isn't >>> coming from the customer. >> >>The increased payments to the government are taken from what would have >>been paid out as dividends and/or the value of the stock takes a hit. >>IN either case, the corporation eats the tax and the customers pay the >>same amount as before for the same product or service. >> >><<<<<<<<<<<<<<< FURTHER STUPIDITY DELETED >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Absolutely clueless. No wonder high unemployment is predicted thru the > year 2016 (a new, latest projection I heard on the news just yesterday.) > The people that are either as stupid as you are, or are taking > advantage of your stupidity by supporting this nonsemse, are in office > and wrecking our economy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_incidence -- "Senate rules don't trump the Constitution" -- http://GreaterVoice.org/60 |