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From: Noddy on 3 Apr 2010 19:32 "John McKenzie" <jmac_melbourne(a)bigpond.com> wrote in message news:4BB7665D.1690(a)bigpond.com... > You were an apprentice at Armstrongs? Lol :) -- Regards, Noddy.
From: Clocky on 3 Apr 2010 22:01 Andy wrote: > Noddy wrote: > >> >> "atec7 7" <""atec77 \"@ hotmail.com"> wrote in message >> news:hp6u7q$87v$2(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >>> 500 in materials and several k in labour >> >> How many thousands is "several", and does your 500 in "materials" >> include the tools necessary to do the job or were you planning on >> drinking the paint > > Aha. Finally we have an explanation. > > I just thought he'd been drinking the river water. > > ;) He displays all the traits of a long term alcoholic IMO.
From: John McKenzie on 4 Apr 2010 03:53 atec7, 7, > wrote: > > > > I reiterate paint can be affordable , I recently spent 2 hours a night > for 3 weeks ( plus weekends)prepping a toys bodywork for paint ( soda > blasted the shell first) paint materials cost about $540.00 in Por > which with the hours spent on prep resulted in an excellent finish > meaning anyone can prep and have an "expert" finsh and spray saving a > small fortune .Hence some tradies are painters and some claim to be > panel-beaters which whilst not mutually exclusive offers a clue to why > painting can cost silly amounts at 50 or more an hour times a weeks or > two's worth of straightening and bogging > > DYI suddenly looks pretty damned good atm Whilst I don't disagree with that assertion, it's not going to be optimally exploited by a great many people. First - how many have sandblasting equipment? and how much to hire or buy. Same goes for spaygun etc. Then you've got drop sheets, masks, the hassle of likely having to move any other cars out of the shed/garage to have room to do the job. But most importantly, decent paint jobs take talent/aptitude and whist some of that is inherited/genetics, it's also down to repetition/practice. So whlst the costs may technically be down, they'd have to do a _few_ spray jobs (or keep re-doing the first one till it was right) before they can do a good job, And that takes time and resources. I might offer the comparison - go to an engine machinist amd get work done at a particular rate, whatehaveyou. But go to someone who is at the cutting edge of head porting and engine building, to build a competitive race engine, you aren't just (effectively) paying for the parts and labour/machining time. To be a top of the field engine builder, they have to do some fairly relentless R&D work, and obviously that experience/knowledge/research is factored in to the price. -- John McKenzie tosspam(a)aol.com abuse(a)yahoo.com abuse(a)hotmail.com abuse(a)earthlink.com abuse(a)aol.com vice.president(a)whitehouse.gov president(a)whitehouse.gov sweep.day(a)accc.gov.au uce(a)ftc.gov admin(a)loopback abuse(a)iprimus.com.au $LOGIN(a)localhost I knew Sanchez before they were dirty root(a)mailloop.com $USER@$HOST $LOGNAME(a)localhost -h1024(a)localhost abuse(a)msn.com abuse(a)federalpolice.gov.au fraudinfo(a)psinet.com abuse(a)asio.gov.au $USER(a)localhost abuse(a)sprint.com abuse(a)fbi.gov abuse(a)cia.gov
From: atec7 7 ""atec77 " on 4 Apr 2010 05:13 John McKenzie wrote: > atec7, 7, > wrote: >> I reiterate paint can be affordable , I recently spent 2 hours a night >> for 3 weeks ( plus weekends)prepping a toys bodywork for paint ( soda >> blasted the shell first) paint materials cost about $540.00 in Por >> which with the hours spent on prep resulted in an excellent finish >> meaning anyone can prep and have an "expert" finsh and spray saving a >> small fortune .Hence some tradies are painters and some claim to be >> panel-beaters which whilst not mutually exclusive offers a clue to why >> painting can cost silly amounts at 50 or more an hour times a weeks or >> two's worth of straightening and bogging >> >> DYI suddenly looks pretty damned good atm > > Whilst I don't disagree with that assertion, it's not going to be > optimally exploited by a great many people. Yes there are some slothful types out there , or plain stupid and easily separated from the $ > > First - how many have sandblasting equipment? and how much to hire or > buy. no need in most cases , I am currently cleaning off 40 year old paint with a grinder and flapper wheels > cost about $100.00 and two days of my time . I then don't have to strip the car so another possibility in painting > Same goes for spaygun etc. Then you've got drop sheets, masks, the > hassle of likely having to move any other cars out of the shed/garage to > have room to do the job. True but a basic 8cf and gun can be had to at least etch and prime for almost nothing > > But most importantly, decent paint jobs take talent/aptitude and whist > some of that is inherited/genetics, it's also down to > repetition/practice. So whlst the costs may technically be down, they'd > have to do a _few_ spray jobs (or keep re-doing the first one till it > was right) before they can do a good job, And that takes time and > resources. Fantastic paint takes talent , a lot of the paint done I see driving around town takes a steady had and 5 minutes practise which is why money can always be saved on prep if the car is a good one > > I might offer the comparison - go to an engine machinist amd get work > done at a particular rate, whatehaveyou. thing is engines can be built by anyone but a race engine maybe not > at least we agree practice makes betterra :P But go to someone who is at the > cutting edge of head porting and engine building, to build a competitive > race engine, you aren't just (effectively) paying for the parts and > labour/machining time. To be a top of the field engine builder, they > have to do some fairly relentless R&D work, and obviously that > experience/knowledge/research is factored in to the price. You would have to agree though many of the big buck paint jobs are over priced because people wont help them selves > > >
From: Noddy on 4 Apr 2010 05:50
"John_H" <john4721(a)inbox.com> wrote in message news:u3mfr5h2o28ptgu2qu8d46v72fdo3dmil1(a)4ax.com... > Only when there's no insurance company involved... otherwise it's the > crash repairers who generally get screwed! > > Not to miss an opportunity to reverse the situation when they see one, > it's a fair guess that most of their large jobs are insurance related > whereas the smaller ones that aren't get costed rather differently. :) Indeed. When I worked for the Honda dealership there was a large crash repairer in St.Kilda who would order shitloads of parts every time he got a bent Honda in for repair. If a car got hit in the left rear for example, he'd request a parts interpreter go down to his shop with his microfilms for the relevant model, and he'd order just about every part on that corner of the car. Once the assessor had approved the quote he'd send three quarters of it back, and no doubt pocket the extra. -- Regards, Noddy. |