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From: Adrian on 18 May 2010 10:37 boltar2003(a)boltar.world gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>> Though if they had diesel engines instead of petrol they'd be a lot >>> more efficient than they are at the moment. >>You seem to be forgetting the primary national markets of the current >>hybrids. And, of course, the "Is it or isn't it" over diesel vs petrol >>emissions. > Yes I know the yanks hate diesels and I can understand why. But going > purely by CO2 emmissions and mpg is as bloody silly and short-sighted as most such vague generalisations.
From: GT on 18 May 2010 10:40 "Adrian" <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:85fn1qFgk9U12(a)mid.individual.net... > boltar2003(a)boltar.world gurgled happily, sounding much like they were > saying: > >>>> Though if they had diesel engines instead of petrol they'd be a lot >>>> more efficient than they are at the moment. > >>>You seem to be forgetting the primary national markets of the current >>>hybrids. And, of course, the "Is it or isn't it" over diesel vs petrol >>>emissions. > >> Yes I know the yanks hate diesels and I can understand why. But going >> purely by CO2 emmissions and mpg diesel beats petrol every time > > is as bloody silly and short-sighted as most such vague generalisations. Well if his statement is wrong, then perhaps you could explain exactly how petrol is more efficient than diesel?
From: Adrian on 18 May 2010 10:42 "GT" <a(a)b.c> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > Another point always omitted from these discussions is that people don't > realise that electric car batteries have a finite lifetime (is it 2-3 > years?) and can't just be thrown away like torch batteries. *ding* About a decade ago, you could walk into your local friendly dealer and buy a plug-in electric version of the Citroen Berlingo van - originally designed explicitly for electric and internal combustion power. Not only was it massively more expensive than the diesel version, with a vastly shorter range, it was very slow and had a much reduced payload. A few years ago, I saw one on eBay, very very cheap indeed - a tiny fraction of the value of an equivalent age diesel. Only needed new batteries. A replacement battery set was still listed as being available. For a price higher than that of a new diesel van. I am under no doubt whatsoever that that electric van would have been scrapped, at less than half the expected life of the diesel equivalent. Now, would somebody please care to explain the environmental benefit in that? <waits>
From: Adrian on 18 May 2010 10:43 "GT" <a(a)b.c> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>> If everyone used bicycles, then very few people would make it to work. >>> Industry and commerce would completely fail and the economy would >>> collapse horribly. If you are able to go about your day on a bicycle, >>> then good for you, but it doesn't suit everyone: How do you propose >>> that I get my 2 children to school and then myself to work 40 miles >>> away, on a bicycle, in 40 minutes? >> By bus? By train? > Unfortunately, not an option - they pollute the environment, take bloody > ages and smell! > Bus would take hours and about 3 changes (maybe 4) - my work isn't on a > bus route and is in the next region. > I looked into the train - I have to leave before 5am to get there for > 9:30am. Plus I have to add a 20 minute walk at 1 end and a 30 minute > walk at the other end. <shrug> It's not my fault you live and work in the wrong place. You should move. It's for the greater good, y'know.
From: GT on 18 May 2010 10:59
"Adrian" <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:85fncfFgk9U14(a)mid.individual.net... > "GT" <a(a)b.c> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > >>>> If everyone used bicycles, then very few people would make it to work. >>>> Industry and commerce would completely fail and the economy would >>>> collapse horribly. If you are able to go about your day on a bicycle, >>>> then good for you, but it doesn't suit everyone: How do you propose >>>> that I get my 2 children to school and then myself to work 40 miles >>>> away, on a bicycle, in 40 minutes? > >>> By bus? By train? > >> Unfortunately, not an option - they pollute the environment, take bloody >> ages and smell! >> Bus would take hours and about 3 changes (maybe 4) - my work isn't on a >> bus route and is in the next region. >> I looked into the train - I have to leave before 5am to get there for >> 9:30am. Plus I have to add a 20 minute walk at 1 end and a 30 minute >> walk at the other end. > > <shrug> It's not my fault you live and work in the wrong place. You > should move. It's for the greater good, y'know. Oh I know! If someone could just have a little word with the mortgage people and convince then to give me another 100k and I'll do that next week! Oh, but I can't afford any higher payments - that still OK? If only everything in life was a simple as a volkswagen! |