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From: Tony Dragon on 18 May 2010 13:16 Adrian wrote: > "GT" <a(a)b.c> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > >>>> If everyone used bicycles, then very few people would make it to work. >>>> Industry and commerce would completely fail and the economy would >>>> collapse horribly. If you are able to go about your day on a bicycle, >>>> then good for you, but it doesn't suit everyone: How do you propose >>>> that I get my 2 children to school and then myself to work 40 miles >>>> away, on a bicycle, in 40 minutes? > >>> By bus? By train? > >> Unfortunately, not an option - they pollute the environment, take bloody >> ages and smell! >> Bus would take hours and about 3 changes (maybe 4) - my work isn't on a >> bus route and is in the next region. >> I looked into the train - I have to leave before 5am to get there for >> 9:30am. Plus I have to add a 20 minute walk at 1 end and a 30 minute >> walk at the other end. > > <shrug> It's not my fault you live and work in the wrong place. You > should move. It's for the greater good, y'know. If you ask Doug, he will produce a report telling you how you can achieve his goals. -- Tony Dragon
From: Brimstone on 18 May 2010 13:35 "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message news:4bf2a6da$0$5870$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > "Adrian" <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:85fn1qFgk9U12(a)mid.individual.net... >> boltar2003(a)boltar.world gurgled happily, sounding much like they were >> saying: >> >>>>> Though if they had diesel engines instead of petrol they'd be a lot >>>>> more efficient than they are at the moment. >> >>>>You seem to be forgetting the primary national markets of the current >>>>hybrids. And, of course, the "Is it or isn't it" over diesel vs petrol >>>>emissions. >> >>> Yes I know the yanks hate diesels and I can understand why. But going >>> purely by CO2 emmissions and mpg diesel beats petrol every time >> >> is as bloody silly and short-sighted as most such vague generalisations. > > Well if his statement is wrong, then perhaps you could explain exactly how > petrol is more efficient than diesel? Firstly, it will be necessary to define what is meant by "efficient".
From: Brimstone on 18 May 2010 13:37 "Tony Dragon" <tony.dragon(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message news:LN6dnSc6GqQUVm_WnZ2dnUVZ8kaunZ2d(a)bt.com... > Adrian wrote: >> "GT" <a(a)b.c> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >> >>>>> If everyone used bicycles, then very few people would make it to work. >>>>> Industry and commerce would completely fail and the economy would >>>>> collapse horribly. If you are able to go about your day on a bicycle, >>>>> then good for you, but it doesn't suit everyone: How do you propose >>>>> that I get my 2 children to school and then myself to work 40 miles >>>>> away, on a bicycle, in 40 minutes? >> >>>> By bus? By train? >> >>> Unfortunately, not an option - they pollute the environment, take bloody >>> ages and smell! >>> Bus would take hours and about 3 changes (maybe 4) - my work isn't on a >>> bus route and is in the next region. >>> I looked into the train - I have to leave before 5am to get there for >>> 9:30am. Plus I have to add a 20 minute walk at 1 end and a 30 minute >>> walk at the other end. >> >> <shrug> It's not my fault you live and work in the wrong place. You >> should move. It's for the greater good, y'know. > > If you ask Doug, he will produce a report telling you how you can achieve > his goals. > Does anyone know if Vince managed to make the suggestions in Doug's report work? Oooops, sorry, I forgot.
From: Adrian on 18 May 2010 14:09 "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>>>>> Though if they had diesel engines instead of petrol they'd be a lot >>>>>> more efficient than they are at the moment. >>>>>You seem to be forgetting the primary national markets of the current >>>>>hybrids. And, of course, the "Is it or isn't it" over diesel vs >>>>>petrol emissions. >>>> Yes I know the yanks hate diesels and I can understand why. But going >>>> purely by CO2 emmissions and mpg diesel beats petrol every time >>> is as bloody silly and short-sighted as most such vague >>> generalisations. >> Well if his statement is wrong, then perhaps you could explain exactly >> how petrol is more efficient than diesel? > Firstly, it will be necessary to define what is meant by "efficient". *ding* Hence why I didn't say petrol _was_ "more efficient" than diesel, merely pointed out that definining efficient as "CO2 and mpg only" was short- sighted. It ignores noise, NOx, particulate and other emissions, the increased environmental impact of manufacture and lifetime maintenance of the more complex injection and emissions equipment plus other components and a variety of other factors. B'sides, a barrel of crude oil isn't something that can be converted into one product or the other. It distills into a mix of products. If petrol stopped being used, there'd be significant wastage. Same if diesel stopped being used. LPG used to be burnt as a waste by-product, but is now used to power vehicles. If pump-cost-per-mile of fuel is used as a metric, then LPG is currently quite probably by far and away the most "efficient" fuel.
From: Adrian on 18 May 2010 14:10
Tony Dragon <tony.dragon(a)btinternet.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >> <shrug> It's not my fault you live and work in the wrong place. You >> should move. It's for the greater good, y'know. > If you ask Doug, he will produce a report telling you how you can > achieve his goals. Oooh! Will he? How quickly? |