From: JMS jmsmith2010 on
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:21:38 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
<nbkm57(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>JMS wrote:
>> Road Casualties Great Britain Main Results: 2009 are out at the DfT
>> webpages.
>>
>> Main Highlights are :
>>
>> Total road casualties down 4%
>> Seriously injured down 6%
>> Child casualties down 6%
>> All pedestrian casualties down 6%
>> Motor cycle casualties down 4%
>>
>> All good news - oh - there are a couple more:
>>
>> Number of seriously injured cyclists up 6%
>> Total casualties among cyclists up 5%
>
>that is probably because of an increase in their numbers coupled witha lack
>of training/regulation
>
Oh - I see you have found a straw - why not have a clutch at it?

Numbers have not risen as much as injuries/casualties.

--
Many cyclists are proving the need for registration by their contempt for the Highway Code and laws.

The answer:
All cyclists over 16 to take compulsory test, have compulsory insurance, and be registered.
Registration number to be clearly visible on the back of mandatory hi-viz vest.
Habitual law breakers' cycles confiscated and crushed.
(With thanks to KeithT for the idea)

From: Tom Crispin on
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 21:59:21 +0100, Tony Raven <traven(a)gotadsl.co.uk>
wrote:

>Tom Crispin wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:52:37 +0100, Tony Raven <traven(a)gotadsl.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>> Somehow the minor fact that cyclist fatalities fell by 10% seems to
>>> have been overlooked. I can't think why on earth that would be.
>>
>> Not according to the Guardian's headline: "Sharp rise in number of
>> cyclists killed on roads"
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/nov/05/cycling-deaths-department-of-transport
>>
>
>
>"The number of pedal cyclists killed fell by 10 per cent from 115 in
>2008 to 104 in 2009. The number of seriously injured rose by 6 per cent
>to 2,606. The total casualties among pedal cyclists rose by 5 per cent
>to 17,064."
>Reported Road Casualties Great Britain Main Results: 2009
>http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/statistics/datatablespublications/accidents/casualtiesmr/rrcgbmainresults2009

I am not disputing what you say, only the accuracy of the Guardian's
headline.
From: JMS jmsmith2010 on
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:29:56 +0100 (BST), nmm1(a)cam.ac.uk wrote:

>In article <VOl1o.235346$sD7.191566(a)hurricane>,
>Mrcheerful <nbkm57(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>JMS wrote:
>>> Road Casualties Great Britain Main Results: 2009 are out at the DfT
>>> webpages.
>>>
>>> Main Highlights are :
>>>
>>> Total road casualties down 4%
>>> Seriously injured down 6%
>>> Child casualties down 6%
>>> All pedestrian casualties down 6%
>>> Motor cycle casualties down 4%
>>>
>>> All good news - oh - there are a couple more:
>>>
>>> Number of seriously injured cyclists up 6%
>>> Total casualties among cyclists up 5%
>>
>>that is probably because of an increase in their numbers coupled witha lack
>>of training/regulation
>
>Without more information, we cannot even say whether the number of
>accidents per cyclist or mile cycled rose or fell, and we CERTAINLY
>have no grounds to even guess at a cause.
>
>
>Regards,
>Nick Maclaren.


Numbers went up - by 4% - less than injuries.

I have no reason to believe that cyclists have started riding much
further than they used to do on average - it is reasonable to assume
on information available that cycling is becoming more dangerous -
year on year.



--
Many cyclists are proving the need for registration by their contempt for the Highway Code and laws.

The answer:
All cyclists over 16 to take compulsory test, have compulsory insurance, and be registered.
Registration number to be clearly visible on the back of mandatory hi-viz vest.
Habitual law breakers' cycles confiscated and crushed.
(With thanks to KeithT for the idea)

From: Tom Crispin on
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 21:53:46 +0100, Roland Perry <roland(a)perry.co.uk>
wrote:

>In message <nf0c46phk1oa5e4pqi7elvqb352cr0e5kd(a)4ax.com>, at 21:21:59 on
>Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Tom Crispin <kije.remove(a)this.bit.freeuk.com.munge>
>remarked:
>>A young lad was killed by a policeman driving a fast moving police car,
>>with lights but no siren, as the child was cycling across a pedestrian
>>crossing.
>
>That has a certain resonance with a youngster reportedly run over by an
>ambulance while crossing a motorway a few nights ago.

I find it of interest that you compare a pedestrian crossing with a
motorway. Perhaps you feel that motorists have a similar expectation
of coming across children on both, i.e. not places where young people
should be.
From: JMS jmsmith2010 on
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:52:37 +0100, Tony Raven <traven(a)gotadsl.co.uk>
wrote:

>Mrcheerful wrote:
>> JMS wrote:
>>> Road Casualties Great Britain Main Results: 2009 are out at the DfT
>>> webpages.
>>>
>>> Main Highlights are :
>>>
>>> Total road casualties down 4%
>>> Seriously injured down 6%
>>> Child casualties down 6%
>>> All pedestrian casualties down 6%
>>> Motor cycle casualties down 4%
>>>
>>> All good news - oh - there are a couple more:
>>>
>>> Number of seriously injured cyclists up 6%
>>> Total casualties among cyclists up 5%
>>
>> that is probably because of an increase in their numbers coupled witha lack
>> of training/regulation
>>
>>
>
>Somehow the minor fact that cyclist fatalities fell by 10% seems to have
>been overlooked. I can't think why on earth that would be.

It was insignificant cf other modes.

The number of fatalities fell for almost all types of road user, with
a fall of 12 per cent for car occupants, 11 per cent for pedestrians,
16 per cent for motorcyclists

--
Many cyclists are proving the need for registration by their contempt for the Highway Code and laws.

The answer:
All cyclists over 16 to take compulsory test, have compulsory insurance, and be registered.
Registration number to be clearly visible on the back of mandatory hi-viz vest.
Habitual law breakers' cycles confiscated and crushed.
(With thanks to KeithT for the idea)