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From: Ret. on 1 Apr 2010 04:16
Adrian wrote:
> Derek C <del.copeland(a)tiscali.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much
> like they were saying:
>
>> Typical bit of class spite from the Labour Party that mainly affects
>> middle class folk living in the countryside.
>
> Are you trying to play the "Big 4x4s are necessary" line? Don't be
> ridiculous.
>
> As I've said before, my mother lives out in the sticks in the middle
> of the Peak District - and drives a 207. She's retired now, but used
> to commute every day over the back lanes and tops towards Manchester
> and, later, Liverpool. She did that in nothing more "off-road" than
> an Astra, a Saab 900, a Rover 800, a Xantia. I seem to recall her
> getting stuck once. When the snow-plough got stuck in front of her.

But, of course, she always fitted winter tyres I presume...?

Kev
From: Derek C on 1 Apr 2010 04:30
On 1 Apr, 08:22, Adrian <toomany2...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Derek C <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like
> they were saying:
>
>
>
>
>
> >> > Typical bit of class spite from the Labour Party that mainly affects
> >> > middle class folk living in the countryside.
> >> Are you trying to play the "Big 4x4s are necessary" line? Don't be
> >> ridiculous.
>
> >> As I've said before, my mother lives out in the sticks in the middle of
> >> the Peak District - and drives a 207. She's retired now, but used to
> >> commute every day over the back lanes and tops towards Manchester and,
> >> later, Liverpool. She did that in nothing more "off-road" than an
> >> Astra, a Saab 900, a Rover 800, a Xantia. I seem to recall her getting
> >> stuck once. When the snow-plough got stuck in front of her.
>
> >> As far as I can see, the cheapest Band M new cars are around £28/30k
> >> list high-performance versions.
> > Nearly all British made cars such as Rolls Royces, Range Rovers, Aston
> > Martins will be affected by this new tax.
>
> How about British made cars such as Toyotas, Hondas, Nissans? They're the
> VAST majority of British made cars, y'know, both numerically and by value
> - both absolute value and marginal value to the UK economy. Don't say
> "But they're foreign-owned", since the three brands you mentioned are all
> foreign-owned, too.
>
> The vast majority of both Land-Rover's and Jaguar's output are way below
> Band M. Jag XFs, XJs, Range-Rover Sports, Disco 4s - all are available a
> long way below Band M. The only reason the "full-fat" Range Rover isn't
> is because they've recently dropped the v6 diesel - mainstay of the
> current L322 range for most of it's life. Strange, since the 3.0 is
> considerably cleaner than the old 2.7, as well as stronger.
>
> Oh, and I think you might be on a loser with trying to drum up sympathy
> for the buyers of new Rolls-Royces, Bentleys or Aston-Martins by claiming
> that an extra £500 of tax will be a big hardship on the poor dears.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I hope you will have at least a little bit of sympathy for the British
workers at Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Aston Martin, etc, whose jobs are now
under threat by yet another Gordon Brown stealth tax on motorists!

Derek C

From: Adrian on 1 Apr 2010 04:42
Derek C <del.copeland(a)tiscali.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

>> Oh, and I think you might be on a loser with trying to drum up sympathy
>> for the buyers of new Rolls-Royces, Bentleys or Aston-Martins by
>> claiming that an extra £500 of tax will be a big hardship on the poor
>> dears.

> I hope you will have at least a little bit of sympathy for the British
> workers at Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Aston Martin, etc, whose jobs are now
> under threat by yet another Gordon Brown stealth tax on motorists!

I repeat...
>> Oh, and I think you might be on a loser with trying to drum up sympathy
>> for the buyers of new Rolls-Royces, Bentleys or Aston-Martins by
>> claiming that an extra £500 of tax will be a big hardship on the poor
>> dears.
From: Man at B&Q on 1 Apr 2010 08:29
On Apr 1, 9:30 am, Derek C <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> under threat by yet another Gordon Brown stealth tax on motorists!

How can something long announced and given plenty of publicity be a
"stealth" tax?

Sounds like more typical "class spite" to describe it as such.

MBQ


From: Clive George on 1 Apr 2010 09:23
On 01/04/2010 09:30, Derek C wrote:

>> Oh, and I think you might be on a loser with trying to drum up sympathy
>> for the buyers of new Rolls-Royces, Bentleys or Aston-Martins by claiming
>> that an extra �500 of tax will be a big hardship on the poor dears.- Hide quoted text -
>
> I hope you will have at least a little bit of sympathy for the British
> workers at Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Aston Martin, etc, whose jobs are now
> under threat by yet another Gordon Brown stealth tax on motorists!

Quite apart from the point that 500 quid is small change to the sort of
people who buy those cars, how much of their market do you think is in
the UK?

If their jobs are under threat (are they?), it's not road tax, it's the
collapse in the Dubai economy.
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