From: Derek C on
On 17 Mar, 14:19, JNugent <J...(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote:
> Derek C wrote:
> > On 17 Mar, 13:13, JNugent <J...(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote:
> >> Derek C wrote:
> >>> boltar2...(a)boltar.world wrote:
> >>>> "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> <boltar2...(a)boltar.world> wrote:
> >>>>>> Jethro <krazyka...(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> The simplest answer, if you want to avoid more road building (on the
> >>>>>>> basis we can't seem to manage the roads we do have) is to "do
> >>>>>>> something" to break the 9-5 culture which dominates the business
> >>>>>>> mindset.
> >>>>>> If school and working hours were 8-4 so there was equal working time
> >>>>>> before and after midday we could dispense with the idiotic daylight
> >>>>>> saving nonsense that we have to suffer every year and just stick to GMT.
> >>>>> What's that got to do with road congestion?
> >>>> It was just an aside, though if work ended an hour earlier in the winter
> >>>> and it wasn't so dark when people drove home the standard of driving would
> >>>> probably be better.
> >>> The same effect could be achieved by not winding the clocks back to
> >>> Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) for the Winter months!
> >> What do you mean, "back"?
> >> GMT is the *correct* time - ie, mid-day when the sun is overhead at the
> >> measurement point (the Greenwich Meridian).
> >> It is the sheer unnecessary nonsense of British Summer Time (when for no
> >> useful reason whatsoever, it is still light at 11:00 pm on the west coast in
> >> late June) which is crying out to be scrapped.
> > I like British Summer Time thanks, because it gives you more time for
> > outdoor recreational activities in the evenings, such as cycling.
>
> You don't need daylight right up until News At Ten has finished, surely?
>
> > Making the standard working day 8 am to 4 pm (hopefully with some
> > flexitime) on GMT, instead of 9 to 5, would achieve the same
> > advantage.
> > I have never felt that is very sensible to start work only 3 hours
> > before the sun is at its highest, but to finish work 5 hours later!
>
> Then start at 08:00 GMT. Plenty of people start quite a bit earlier than that.
>
> > Are you are from Scotland by any chance?
>
> No.
>
> > The Scots always whinge about
> > BST being a Sassenach plot for stealing an hour of their daylight in
> > the morning, while conveniently forgetting that they get much longer
> > evenings in the summer than us Southern English folk!
>
> It isn't so much a north/south thing (in Great Britain terms); it's more an
> east/west thing. In Liverpool, the sun is still visible in the sky (setting,
> admittedly) after the pubs have shut in late June. The effect is even more
> marked in Wales, the west country peninsula and Northern Ireland.
>
> What IS the point in that?-

Well, once upon a time the clocks in any given town were set to 12.00
when the sun reached its highest point in the sky. However when the
railways came along, having different time zones for every town as you
went from East to West made co-ordination a bit difficult, so UK time
was standardized on Greenwich Mean Time. The people in East Anglia
have a slightly earlier sunrise and sunset, and the people in the West
Country have a slightly later sunrise and sunset. The difference is
only a few minutes either way.

British Summer Time was introduced during the First World Way in 1916,
to make better use of the available hours of daylight, and Double
Summer Time was used during WW2

There is a more marked effect as you go from South to North due to the
curvature of the Earth at our northern latitudes and the fact that the
Earth's axis is tilted. Thus the people of Northern Scotland get much
shorter hours of daylight in the Winter, but much longer hours of
sunlight in the Summer than the folks of Southern England. At the
equator you get pretty much 12 hour days and 12 hour nights throughout
the year.

Derek C
From: boltar2003 on
On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 07:52:27 -0700 (PDT)
Derek C <del.copeland(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>British Summer Time was introduced during the First World Way in 1916,
>to make better use of the available hours of daylight, and Double
>Summer Time was used during WW2

How can you make better use of it by fiddling with a clock? Why not just get
up earlier? Its not like you can manufacture more daytime , you get the same
amount of sunshine no matter how you play with the clocks. Its all a nonsense.

B2003


From: Derek C on
On 17 Mar, 16:59, boltar2...(a)boltar.world wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 07:52:27 -0700 (PDT)
>
> Derek C <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> >British Summer Time was introduced during the First World Way in 1916,
> >to make better use of the available hours of daylight, and Double
> >Summer Time was used during WW2
>
> How can you make better use of it by fiddling with a clock? Why not just get
> up earlier? Its not like you can manufacture more daytime , you get the same
> amount of sunshine no matter how you play with the clocks. Its all a nonsense.
>
> B2003

Almost all the Northern and Southern Hemisphere Countries have
Daylight Saving Time in the summer, so it must be considerd
beneficial. I suppose that I could get up at sunrise at 03.43 GMT
(04.43 BST) in the middle of June, but not very much would be open or
going on then, whereas it will be in the evening.

Link to GMT and time zones:

http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/

Derek C
From: Jim A on
Jethro wrote:

....
> If you can just shift 5% of the road traffic away from the
> 7-9 and 4-6 slots, you will halve congestion overnight. Think of how
> much quieter the roads are in half-term.

Shut down all the schools. Simples!

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From: Jim A on
boltar2003(a)boltar.world wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 02:57:10 -0700 (PDT)
> Jethro <krazykara0(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
>> The simplest answer, if you want to avoid more road building (on the
>> basis we can't seem to manage the roads we do have) is to "do
>> something" to break the 9-5 culture which dominates the business
>> mindset.
>
> If school and working hours were 8-4 so there was equal working time before
> and after midday we could dispense with the idiotic daylight saving nonsense
> that we have to suffer every year and just stick to GMT.

I agree entirely. I think it's idiotic that we fiddle the clocks every
summer. If people want to go to work an hour earlier in the summer to
enjoy a longer evening, then why not just let them get on and do that?

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