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From: JNugent on 18 Mar 2010 05:55
Derek C wrote:

> Jim A <j...(a)averyjim.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> Jethro wrote:

>>> If you can just shift 5% of the road traffic away from the
>>> 7-9 and 4-6 slots, you will halve congestion overnight. Think of how
>>> much quieter the roads are in half-term.

>> Shut down all the schools. Simples!

> When I was a child attending junior and secondary school back in the
> 1950s and 60s, I always walked, or later on cycled, to school by
> myself, so no traffic congestion caused. These days mothers are so
> scared of paedophiles etc, that their dear little mites have to be
> taken to school in an armoured 4x4 (slight exaggeration).

I'll say.

The reason they didn't do it back then is that they didn't have cars.

I remember one fellow pupil at my grammar school whose father *sometimes*
used to collect him in a car. But certinly not every day.

> Hence the numbers of unfit and obese children.

Hmmm...

Doubtful.

> I think we did have paedophiles
> in those days, but we called them dirty old men. Most of them were
> pathetic individuals who we laughed at and made fun of.

> Also I had to attend the nearest appropriate school, however good or
> bad, rather than all the social engineering and 'choice' that goes on
> these days, which often involves lots of unnecessary travel.

I can see your point. After all, the nearest school - no matter how bad it
may be - is good enough for anyone's children, isn't it?

Let's recap on what you said...

When the local authority does the allocation (on whatever political basis
they prefer), that's absolyely fair enough AFAYAC and definitely not social
engineering.

But when a parent decides on the best school available for their child,
that's social engineering?
From: Derek C on 18 Mar 2010 06:10
On Mar 18, 9:55 am, JNugent <J...(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote:
> Derek C wrote:
> > Jim A <j...(a)averyjim.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> >> Jethro wrote:
> >>> If you can just shift 5% of the road traffic away from the
> >>> 7-9 and 4-6 slots, you will halve congestion overnight. Think of how
> >>> much quieter the roads are in half-term.
> >> Shut down all the schools.  Simples!
> > When I was a child attending junior and secondary school back in the
> > 1950s and 60s, I always walked, or later on cycled, to school by
> > myself, so no traffic congestion caused. These days mothers are so
> > scared of paedophiles etc, that their dear little mites have to be
> > taken to school in an armoured 4x4 (slight exaggeration).
>
> I'll say.
>
> The reason they didn't do it back then is that they didn't have cars.
>

My parents owned a Ford Prefect, and cars weren't all that uncommon!

Derek C
From: Roger Merriman on 18 Mar 2010 07:03
<boltar2003(a)boltar.world> wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 10:26:29 -0000
> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> ><boltar2003(a)boltar.world> wrote in message
> >news:hnqa1e$80r$1(a)speranza.aioe.org...
> >> On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 02:57:10 -0700 (PDT)
> >> Jethro <krazykara0(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>>The simplest answer, if you want to avoid more road building (on the
> >>>basis we can't seem to manage the roads we do have) is to "do
> >>>something" to break the 9-5 culture which dominates the business
> >>>mindset.
> >>
> >> If school and working hours were 8-4 so there was equal working time
> >> before
> >> and after midday we could dispense with the idiotic daylight saving
> >> nonsense
> >> that we have to suffer every year and just stick to GMT.
> >>
> >What's that got to do with road congestion?
>
> It was just an aside, though if work ended an hour earlier in the winter
> and it wasn't so dark when people drove home the standard of driving would
> probably be better.
>
> B2003

on the commute bike, with it's powerful lights if any thing in the
winter dark traffic is much more careful, and aware.

roger
--
www.rogermerriman.com
From: Nkosi (ama-ecosse) on 18 Mar 2010 08:58
On 18 Mar, 10:10, Derek C <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> On Mar 18, 9:55 am, JNugent <J...(a)noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Derek C wrote:
> > > Jim A <j...(a)averyjim.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> > >> Jethro wrote:
> > >>> If you can just shift 5% of the road traffic away from the
> > >>> 7-9 and 4-6 slots, you will halve congestion overnight. Think of how
> > >>> much quieter the roads are in half-term.
> > >> Shut down all the schools.  Simples!
> > > When I was a child attending junior and secondary school back in the
> > > 1950s and 60s, I always walked, or later on cycled, to school by
> > > myself, so no traffic congestion caused. These days mothers are so
> > > scared of paedophiles etc, that their dear little mites have to be
> > > taken to school in an armoured 4x4 (slight exaggeration).
>
> > I'll say.
>
> > The reason they didn't do it back then is that they didn't have cars.
>
> My parents owned a Ford Prefect, and cars weren't all that uncommon!
>
> Derek C- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I walked to school in Scotland in the 60's it took about 15 minutes.
If the weather was lousy we took a bus except most days we used the
bus fare to buy 10 Players No6. So we walked anyway. We moved to South
Africa in 1972 and school was 40 minute walk so we cycled. We moved
schools however after a few months to a school in another town as it
was a solely English medium school it was 30 km away so we had to use
a bus. And who needs a 4x4 in city or town limits, they are not any
safer than a car and certainly less stable as they have a higher
centre of gravity. And even worse 4x4's with ultra low profile tyres,
christ 4x4's are for bundu bashing. Idiots

Nkosi
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