From: DanB on 24 Jul 2008 20:07 "Douglas Payne" <douggie(a)cheerful.com> wrote in message news:6esj9tF8od0tU1(a)mid.individual.net... > jackhackettuk(a)yahoo.co.uk wrote of Saabs: > >> Aside from them being a bit shite and likely to depreciate like >> buggery, any company that tries to market their cars as 'Eco >> Power' (IIRC), when they're just as shite on fuel as anything else, >> sucks. > > Yeah, I mean 'Ecotec' was a much cleverer marketing ploy, wasn't it? > Yea but there was never really an advertising campaign saying "We have Ecotec engines, they're well economical!" like Saab are doing with these Ecopower things. You know, the advert with the guy that over takes a truck and it's banging out about big engine power, from a smalll engine with small engine costs. -- Dan Clio R27 F1 #65
From: jackhackettuk on 24 Jul 2008 20:14 On 25 Jul, 01:06, "DanB" <iridium...(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > <jackhacket...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message > >> > Aside from them being a bit shite and likely to depreciate like > >> > buggery, any company that tries to market their cars as 'Eco > >> > Power' (IIRC), when they're just as shite on fuel as anything else, > >> > sucks. > >> I assume you mean the Saab? > > Indeed. > You're a bit of a Vx man iirc? What are your thoughts on the Vectra VXR? Heh I used to be into them up until I had the misfortune to mistake an early Vectra as something worthy of buying. Rapidly went off them then, although I've had a couple of late Cavaliers since which were alright, and to be fair, only today I was out in the Astra at work and noted it really does have a cracking chassis... I'd like to try a 1.9 16v CDTI one at some stage, if I'm honest. :-) The Vectra VXR... not really paid much attention to it if I'm honest - one thing I have noticed is that whatever the top Cavalier / Vectra has tended to be in the past, they seem to attract a certain type of 'geezer' round this way. :-) -- JackH
From: Douglas Payne on 24 Jul 2008 20:15 jackhackettuk(a)yahoo.co.uk wrote: > On 25 Jul, 00:58, Douglas Payne <doug...(a)cheerful.com> wrote: >> jackhacket...(a)yahoo.co.uk wrote of Saabs: >> >>> Aside from them being a bit shite and likely to depreciate like >>> buggery, any company that tries to market their cars as 'Eco >>> Power' (IIRC), when they're just as shite on fuel as anything else, >>> sucks. >> Yeah, I mean 'Ecotec' was a much cleverer marketing ploy, wasn't it? > > It wasn't plastered all over the car in big letters on a trade stand > with a euro standard 'energy rating' placard sitting on the windscreen > pointing out it was actually quite shite on fuel though, was it. ;-) > > In fact IIRC it was just the name of the engines they were doing back > then rather than a full on, leading the campaign for the range with > the term concerned headlining it. > > This thing was a 9-3 estate IIRC, with 'ECO POWER!' in huge letters up > the bottom of the doors. Was it set to run on Ethanol or something? Saab have been into that for ages too. I remember reading that they were developing a variable compression engine that moved the cylinder head depending on the boost and demand for power. It sounded kind of cool. I'm just asking cos Saabs have had an engine called EcoPower for ages. My next door neighbour has a 9000 with an EcoPower engine IIRC. Don't think its particularly powerful or economical. I'm fairly immune to advertising on the telly because I don't watch telly. I wasn't at your county show either. )c: -- Douglas
From: jackhackettuk on 24 Jul 2008 20:22 On 25 Jul, 01:15, Douglas Payne <doug...(a)cheerful.com> wrote: > jackhacket...(a)yahoo.co.uk wrote: > > On 25 Jul, 00:58, Douglas Payne <doug...(a)cheerful.com> wrote: > >> jackhacket...(a)yahoo.co.uk wrote of Saabs: > > >>> Aside from them being a bit shite and likely to depreciate like > >>> buggery, any company that tries to market their cars as 'Eco > >>> Power' (IIRC), when they're just as shite on fuel as anything else, > >>> sucks. > >> Yeah, I mean 'Ecotec' was a much cleverer marketing ploy, wasn't it? > > > It wasn't plastered all over the car in big letters on a trade stand > > with a euro standard 'energy rating' placard sitting on the windscreen > > pointing out it was actually quite shite on fuel though, was it. ;-) > > > In fact IIRC it was just the name of the engines they were doing back > > then rather than a full on, leading the campaign for the range with > > the term concerned headlining it. > > > This thing was a 9-3 estate IIRC, with 'ECO POWER!' in huge letters up > > the bottom of the doors. > > Was it set to run on Ethanol or something? No blurb for that attached to it anywhere from what I could see. > Saab have been into that for > ages too. I remember reading that they were developing a variable > compression engine that moved the cylinder head depending on the boost > and demand for power. It sounded kind of cool. > I'm just asking cos Saabs have had an engine called EcoPower for ages. > My next door neighbour has a 9000 with an EcoPower engine IIRC. Don't > think its particularly powerful or economical. > > I'm fairly immune to advertising on the telly because I don't watch > telly. I wasn't at your county show either. )c: I wouldn't have been normally - went with the youngest and her school (1). :-) Thoroughly enjoyed it and got to see something I never thought I'd see in the flesh - 'The Wall of Death' :-D (1) Incidentally, the last time I went to said show was with the same school when the same age as my daughter -- JackH
From: DanB on 24 Jul 2008 20:40
<jackhackettuk(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:d3c1dda2-5afb-4096-9f2b-3ee91adf26e7(a)w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com... On 25 Jul, 01:06, "DanB" <iridium...(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > <jackhacket...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message > >> > Aside from them being a bit shite and likely to depreciate like > >> > buggery, any company that tries to market their cars as 'Eco > >> > Power' (IIRC), when they're just as shite on fuel as anything else, > >> > sucks. > >> I assume you mean the Saab? > > Indeed. > You're a bit of a Vx man iirc? What are your thoughts on the Vectra VXR? Heh I used to be into them up until I had the misfortune to mistake an early Vectra as something worthy of buying. Rapidly went off them then, although I've had a couple of late Cavaliers since which were alright, and to be fair, only today I was out in the Astra at work and noted it really does have a cracking chassis... I'd like to try a 1.9 16v CDTI one at some stage, if I'm honest. :-) **************************************************** New shape Astra? Look around for the 888 - CDTi, sports switch gives you 200bhp / 330lbs/ft. It also has HUGE brakes - Triple 8 racing 4 pot calipers and 335mm grooved discs, nice lightweight Triple 8 racing BTCC wheels, and uprated, stiffened and lowered suspension, -30mm iirc. Unfortunately they only made I think, 100 of them, so they're quite rare and hold value quite well. http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/560756.htm http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/620990.htm Available in other colours too, no doubt there are some witty comments about chavs chariots, ripspeed extra, or some other broken record digs, but you'll notice it's just a standard SRi bodywise, just with the XP sports pack extensions. I think you'd like it ;-) -- Dan Clio R27 F1 #65 |