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From: Steve Firth on 5 Jul 2008 17:57 Tom Crispin <kije.remove(a)this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote: > On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 20:40:21 +0100, JNugent <JN(a)NPPTG.com> wrote: > > >You would never expect all of the parked cars in a row next to the kerb > >to sprout drivers, have their engines turned on and to move off one > >after the other, all within a few seconds. > > > >Well, no-one normal would. > > 20% of deaths and serious injuries among London's cyclists are by a > driver or passenger opening their car door into the path of a cyclist. And by cyclists riding too close and not paying proper attention. If I'm driving a car and someone opens a door and I drive into it, the accident is my fault, not the fault of the person opening the door. Quite why cyclists believe that the responsibility should go the other way is beyond me.
From: JNugent on 5 Jul 2008 18:21 Tom Crispin wrote: > JNugent <JN(a)NPPTG.com> wrote: >> You would never expect all of the parked cars in a row next to the kerb >> to sprout drivers, have their engines turned on and to move off one >> after the other, all within a few seconds. >> Well, no-one normal would. > 20% of deaths and serious injuries among London's cyclists are by a > driver or passenger opening their car door into the path of a cyclist. Congratulations on maintaining your abysmal standard of context-destroying snipping, but in any case, whether intentionally or not, you supported the point I'd made: parked cars don't move off suddenly and their doors do not spontaneously open into anyone's path.
From: Danny Colyer on 5 Jul 2008 18:31 On 05/07/2008 22:57, Steve Firth wrote: > If I'm driving a car and someone opens a door and I drive into it, the > accident is my fault, not the fault of the person opening the door. And what about HC rule 239? "You MUST ensure you do not hit anyone when you open your door. Check for cyclists or other traffic". > Quite why cyclists believe that the responsibility should go the other > way is beyond me. Perhaps reading the HC would help you. -- Danny Colyer <http://www.redpedals.co.uk> Reply address is valid, but that on my website is checked more often "The plural of anecdote is not data" - Frank Kotsonis
From: Steve Firth on 5 Jul 2008 19:00 Danny Colyer <danny_colyer(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On 05/07/2008 22:57, Steve Firth wrote: > > If I'm driving a car and someone opens a door and I drive into it, the > > accident is my fault, not the fault of the person opening the door. > > And what about HC rule 239? > "You MUST ensure you do not hit anyone when you open your door. Check > for cyclists or other traffic". > > > Quite why cyclists believe that the responsibility should go the other > > way is beyond me. > > Perhaps reading the HC would help you. Perhaps getting a clue would help you. The prohibition in the HC is on opening the door and hitting someone or something with the door. If the door has been opened and someone rides or drives into it then they are in the wrong. The stupidity of cyclists seems to be without limit. Perhaps they should be made to sit a test before being allowed on the roads?
From: Nick on 5 Jul 2008 19:31
The Todal wrote: > "Jeremy Parker" <JeremyParker(a)compuserve.com> wrote in message > news:g4lb6t$ec6$2$8300dec7(a)news.demon.co.uk... >> Don't forget that almost anybody could be reading this newsgroup/these >> newsgroups, including the other side in Tom's case. >> >> Hopefully, if they are reading this, all they've learned is that Tom has a >> good case, but perhaps it's not a good idea to discuss tactics too much. > > It is inconceivable that "the other side" could be reading this. > > At any given time there are hundreds of thousands of claims in progress, > dealt by thousands of different claims handlers in many different insurance > offices, loss adjusters and solicitors firms. A high proportion of claims > involve road traffic accidents, most of which have very similar facts. Let's > not get paranoid about who might be reading. > > They only have to Google. |